Viagra for Bucks? LOL

Discussion in 'Dairy Goat Info' started by Legend Hills, Aug 24, 2008.

  1. Legend Hills

    Legend Hills New Member

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    My buck that I'll be using this year is a little shy of six months. He is the most timid, mildest buck I have ever seen. He is not buckish in the least bit. I'm worried that he will not do his job when the time comes. Is there something wrong with him? He has been this way since I got him as a tiny kid. I love him to bits but wish he'd be more 'interested' if you know what I mean. Perhaps when the females go into heat he'll perk up. I hope so. Has anyone else experienced having a mild, timid buck? It just seems a little odd to me. *shrugs* I have no clue.

    -Kim
     
  2. hamilton40

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    When the girls go into heat he should turn around. The buck i am useing now was only about 6 months last season and he got very interested when the time came and he bred everyone that i wanted bred. Good luck
    Clay
     

  3. NubianSoaps.com

    NubianSoaps.com New Member

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    No way unless I didn't want him to, could I plan on using a 6 month old buck here. Has a 6 month old bred young does, yes, but an older doe no. Even with help :) Although I would had try him on a young doe at 6 months I would have a back up idea. Do not let him run with the does so you know if he bred them or not.

    There are tons of tricks. Borrow a big ole stinky bucks collar, or pen him next to the big boys if you can. Keep him out of eyesite of the does and then introduce him the month before you are using him on a fence line. Feed him Buck Power from Caprinesupply.com Even then it sometimes just takes some longer to mature. Most here will breed at 7 months some not to 8 months. Vicki
     
  4. mill-valley

    mill-valley New Member

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    Every young buck I've had (3 so far) has successfully bred does their first fall. In the past I have always pen bred, and they never stunk or acted bucky in front of me but settled every doe. Maybe they're just a little more shy? Talking all ages of does from kids to 12 yr olds.

    Alpines tend to mature fairly early...I guess if he were mine I wouldn't be worried; I used one born in May last year and he settled does at 5 months old...he wasn't really acting bucky at that point either.
     
  5. Sondra

    Sondra New Member

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    That maybe true Beth but Kim can not depend on her 6mo as a sole source for breeding this year.
     
  6. goatershubby

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    Giving BoSe might help and it is a good idea to give to all your bucks before you start breeding. You should wait a week or so after giving BoSe to start using the buck as it may temporarily lower the sperm count.
     
  7. Cotton Eyed Does

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    My Alpines are raring to go at an early age, but last year I had a boer buckling that was raised in the pasture with the older does. I was almost ready to go have him tested because I thought he was a dud. He just took a while longer to mature and figure out he wasn't going to put up with the older does intimidation. He did get the deed done, but late. This year...... he's the MAN!!! and the does totally respect him. I would also have a back up plan if you don't want summer time babies.
     
  8. Sondra

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    thought that was supposed to be done 30 days prior to breeding for bucks.???
     
  9. coso

    coso Guest

    Me too. I thought I remember someone saying it actually dropped sperm production for a bit before it helped it so you were supposed to do it at least a month before using them.
     
  10. chewie

    chewie New Member

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    why is this necessary? maybe that is a problem for me, he is in the next pen. i can move him if that would help?? but now i would like him to get busy, any time! so maybe not move him now?
     
  11. Kaye White

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    It is. Buck preperations should have started back in July. Not day before breeding season!

    I just did a semen check on a 6mo. old Oberhasli buckling yesterday (hasn't been the least bit interested in the girls) and WHOOHOOO...he's got millions of swimmers! Despite his best efforts from 2 weeks old to KILL HIMSELF! He's been aptly nicknamed "Suicide"! He's an AI buckling...with very little semen left of his sire-6 straws that I know of- and I wanted his genetics BAD! (back up plan-he managed to kill himself-testicles sent for semen retrieval!) He bred his first doe yesterday and he's got 8 more lined up on his *dance book*.
    :/ Now, if I can just get him collected in Sept. and in the tank..I'll breath a sigh of relief!!
    I even called Sara ~who thought I'd completely lost my sanity~ to tell her my relief!

    Last of July...all my bucks got their Bo-Se, wormed, feet trimmed, legs and stomach shaved, started on small amounts of grain, and BUCK POWER ADDED TO THIER FEED/MINERALS. I can't stress the Buck Power enough...especially in bucks that are going to be collected or used heavily. I've seen the difference in the quality of semen.
    Kaye
     
  12. BlissBerry

    BlissBerry Guest

    :yeahthat Exactly!

    :rofl

    I TOTALLY got it. Been there, done that. I am sooooo happy for you girl! :)

    Sara
     
  13. NubianSoaps.com

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    Bucklings who grow up with does or next to does think of them as friends, no big deal. Move them next to girls right before you want them bred, not only does it bring the girls in heat it brings the boy in rut.

    I am very thankful that a youngster is not on the dance card this year...I fret over them every year! It's such a relief to only be using proven guys who I don't have to help. Vicki
     
  14. Maybe the exception here but I've never had problems with the young bucks. We've used them as young as 4 months several times.
    I would not worry about it yet. Do you really want January kids?
    He will be ready in time. The does will cycle and that will get him intetested.
    Without a mature buck to stimulate the does I'd expect October heats. I'd be very suprised if your buck was not ready. If he was not able to service the does by late October I'd worry then but not in August :)
    Becky
     
  15. Anita Martin

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    Hi Kim,
    Last year our buck was not the least bit interested in does until mid to late September. He was also a young buck, and settled all of our does just fine by mid october. This year, unfortunately, he has gotten interested much sooner. He just came into full rut last week. I was hoping he'd stay sweet-smelling until our barn was up and the builder gone. Luckily, he is extremely well mannered and not bothersome (except for the smell) to the folks working on our barn...he's right out there with them and the horses. He has taken quite a shine to one of my mares though, and likes to rub his head on her back legs and tangle himself up in her tail (she loves him)...although he has not confused her with a goat, he still makes her smell less than lovely.
     
  16. Ashley

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    Well, the little buck I got from Vicki thought he should be able to woop every goat here at 1 month old. He was hilarious, (when we'd take the goats on walks, he didn't stay with the big goats) this little bitty guy, all strutted up, every muscled flexed and hair on end, bouncing over to a doe way bigger than him and starting a fight. He would just throw all he had into it lol. Toggy would put him in his place, she bites. ;) He is not at all timid about breeding, he's 5 months now. But he's always had a more aggressive personality.

    I had a buck last year that was older than this one (but the poor guy was small for his age, had some cocci issues obviously). He was real timid like that, he finally got to where he would breed, but Penny never let him. He bred Baby Girl, but she ended up aborting, so no babies out of him (he's in the freezer now). But with his personality, I was SHOCKED the day he finally figured out what he was supposed to do. So maybe yours will suprise you. He also never really smelled. This little buck I have now is a stinky boy! I figured he wouldn't smell too bad his first year, but smells about like a big buck! I can only imagine next year!
     
  17. I had a buck that never bred while he was here. I didn't keep him to see if he'd breed this fall. Instead I gave him back to his breeder and got a different buck. Both of the bucks I have now (Milo and Zepher) are starting to act like bucks. I already gave them their bose shots and wormed them the beginning of august. I had planned on breeding all 3 girls in september but they are sick and will need time to get better before breeding. :(
     
  18. Qvrfullmidwife

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    We had a more timid buckling who we thought would never get the job done...he only bred at night when no one was watching.

    Kaye I know how you feel...two years running the long awaited very expensive bucks that we shipped in bred his does then died...one to dog attack, the other to illness. We have come to expect bucks to not be around and I cannot wait to get to the point of having a tank so now we can at least have something more than a handful of kids to show for all our efforts!
     
  19. Nancy

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    Last fall I had a buckling that I wanted to breed to a doe that someone wanted bred. He wasn't interested. So she got bred to the other buckling. A couple of weeks later he wanted to breed everything(and he did breed 3 does that weren't sappose to be bred). The hormones just didn't kick in then.
    Silvia
     
  20. Legend Hills

    Legend Hills New Member

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    None of my does are in heat yet. Thankfully, because no, I do not wish for January kids. A couple in February, yes. But time will tell whether that comes about or not. March kids are optimal. Well I've already given him BoSe and B-Complex, trimmed hooves but not hair. Never heard of trimming hair in a buck, although I can see the logic behind it. I only have the two yards right now until the Barn is finished. They are right next to each other. The buck pen (Only have the young buck this year) and the doe pen. About a week ago, to inspire him to get braver and hopefully more buckish I placed the 'too little' does in his pen and put him in with the big girls with marking on his chest /just incase/. Well he is definitely standing up for himself more, still not so buckish though. About ready to switch him back to his pen and put the 'littles' back in their old one. Thankfully no heats yet, no marks either. :) Thanks everyone for the helpful and encouraging posts.