I lost a doe yesterday (I need to start a separate thread on this: she died within 8 hrs of first signs of illness, we have her body down at Tufts for necropsy) who was dam-raising two kids, now just over 7 weeks old. The kids are 40 and 34 lbs, not yet introduced to grain but eating alfalfa pellets, grass and legume hay, and browse strongly. I've just started introducing grain: they're just getting tiny bits twice a day to start. They seem to so closely associate milk with the comfort of nursing that milk served any other way isn't worth paying attention to. I'm reluctant to pan feed since I've always heard that milk tends to get into the rumen rather than the abomasum: is this true? Should I try it anyway? Bottling has been a fiasco. Just wean early? We normally let kids have milk until at least 12-14wo. Ideas?