Super glueing teats

Discussion in 'Dairy Goat Info' started by old dominion, Dec 12, 2007.

  1. old dominion

    old dominion New Member

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    I want to make sure no kids dam raise this year. Tell me about the super glue process. How much, when, how do you get it off, everything you can think of.

    Thanks in advance.

    Jolene
     
  2. Kaye White

    Kaye White New Member

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    Uuummm.....I don't superglue, but I do teat tape.
    The tape is about $2.00 from Wal-Mart and one roll will last me about a year. It's 3M paper tape, found in the pharmacy dept.

    It's activated by the heat of your hand. I take off enough to go from one side of the teat, underneath, back up the other side. I do this side to side and front to rear. Then wrap one strip around the top of teat and include the tape ends. Grab the whole teat in my hand and hold for a couple minutes and it's sealed.

    I just HATE to see duct tape used on a does teats. Stick some on your skin and wait 24 hrs. to pull it off! OUCH! The paper tape comes off easy without skin irritation.
    Hope this helps,
    Kaye
     

  3. NubianSoaps.com

    NubianSoaps.com New Member

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    I have had more teat tape removed by does right before kidding, i think they do it during labor. Moved to super glue when I glued a slash in an udder. When she is near her due date, I put a tiny amount inside the edge of the orifice, and pinched the teat shut. Yes it takes some picking to open it back up, but back when we were dealing with CAE it was worth that picking! Use superglue on does we didn't have dependable breeding dates on, and lutelyse of those who we did have breeding dates on, we lost very few kid crops (I would not sell anything that was born without me there). Vicki
     
  4. OH...super glueing teats...I know ALOT about this from showing dairy cattle...if she does not have a perfect teat placement...the wonders you can do with super glue and fishing line. But that is WHOLE different topic.

    THe best way to do is what Vicki said...now to get it off. Just use finger nail polish remover. Why women want to paint their nails and use that stuff afterwards is beyond me. Considering it will eat about anything it gets on. But, at we are done showing just dip the end of the teat in the polish remover and get a good paper towel and rub the end with it. It will slowly come off. Most of the time it takes about 3 times dipping it in the remover before you have all the glue off. That is all there is with removing it.

    We just used the cheapest that we could find...no reason to go out and buy something that you use just for that purpose only.

    ken
     
  5. Odeon

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    Ken,

    I was talking to a gentleman at the ADGA National show who was an AG Instructor, and he was sharing some of the "tricks" that are used. They way they twist and glue teats is quite an "art". He teaches these "tricks" to his AG Students, not to teach them to be dishonest but so they are aware when making purchases.

    Back to the nail polish remover... this won't damage the udder? Just curious....

    Ken (the other Ken)
     
  6. Idaho Ken,

    You do not leave it on the teat that long. Just more like getting the glue wet, wait a few seconds, rub between finger tips....dipe back in the remover, wait a few seconds ect,ect,ect. You dont leave it on to soak or anything. Then its best to use an udder balm on it for a day afterwards, just of the fact that you have glued the teats and also you have filled the udder to the max in the show ring.

    ken in michigan
     
  7. NubianSoaps.com

    NubianSoaps.com New Member

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    I just love Ken in Michigan being on here. :) Now I am not the only one who does things more commercially...which to me means more efficently. To others it means mean, it hurts them (ear stapleing) etc.

    Ken do you singe udders? Vicki
     
  8. BlissBerry

    BlissBerry Guest

    Hey!

    I'm all for doing things more efficiently and more cost effectively. But I do draw the line when it comes to stapling ears. :nooo Well, only because my method works great. If it didn't I might be singing a different tune. ;)

    The Udder Singe! That thing is so cool but couldn't imagine using it on a goat. How would we get our beautiful arches using a torch? :rofl

    Sara
     
  9. Sondra

    Sondra New Member

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    can see it all now BURNT MILK flavor to my milk :help :rofl
     
  10. Kaye White

    Kaye White New Member

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    :biggrin Don't ya' just love the "tricks of the trade" ?

    Ok, fessing up...I have used Stop-A-Leak on a blasted doe that wouldn't udder up without dropping her milk..just cause I didn't have any superglue!! But, around here...the teat tape has worked and with lute, I don't miss births. ;)

    I'm NOT EVEN trying to singe an udder!! I can do enough damage with a set of surgical clippers!

    Now, I did just find out how to bring a dry cow back to milk and just so happens I may just have the last Estrodiol in the country!! Unless there's some SyncroMate-B in a bottom drawer in a dairy...I have the last of that, too. ;) COME ON FDA and legalize shipping CIDRs!!

    :rofl...I've sat and listen to Ken talk about showing cows...hhhmmm, makes you watch people at large shows to see who else knows these tricks! There's lots of things that "can" be done.
    Kaye
     
  11. OH...flaming udders that is EASY. I use it on goats and cattle all the time. All you are doing is buring the hair off of the udder floor and up the back the little ways. All you need is a propane torch. Turn up the gas and a little air...or might be the other way around. You want a blue flame with the flame very light (meaning big flame and little heat). Then just use your forearm or legs or anywhere you have hair to test it...just have it about 8 inches away from the hair and it should just curl right up. And smell like brunt hair, that is always the pleasant part of it. It should not burn the udder or teats at all...since you are using a cool flame. Do it about every 6 weeks and then you have no more hair in the milk. It is alot faster than clipping udders. I use to do about 750 cows in about 2 hours. Just lock then up in head gates and go right down the line.

    Kaye knows that I have seen a little in my life time with showing cattle. If you think dairy goat people know tricks go to a big dairy cattle show. There is everything from water up the udders to fishing line sewn into the legs. Its just all what you think the cow is worth. This is not talking about all the hormones that they bring in from overseas either. That is a WHOLE different story


    ken in MI
     
  12. Cotton Eyed Does

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    Seems to me all those "tricks", I'm talking the kind where you are sewing up this or filling with water, etc. is just plain cheating. If your animal isn't up to par the way it is naturally then they shouldn't be trying to "make" it something it is not. JMHO Something else that always burned my butt too is when the kids were showing animals at the county fair and it was so plain to see that the parents were the ones that was actually in the competition, especially when the kid couldn't even hardly handle the animal in the ring. Not right... not fair. :nooo
     
  13. Beverrlly

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    I'm with you! :yeahthat

    If a kid can't handle his animal, I'm supposed to believe he fed it, clipped it, and cared for it daily? The tricks only happen because "everyone does it" if no one did it, then it would be cheating. Unfortunately, there's no way to really stop it because even if you show your animal honestly, someone else will fill an udder with water and take home the champion. Sad, but true.
     
  14. Beverrlly

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    I'm guessing super glue (or, specifically the removal of super glue) would be pretty rough on the teats so you probably wouldn't use this for weaning or anything--just a one-time application??
     
  15. Sondra

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    super glue in most cases is used just as requested in the orginal post
    To keep newborns form access to a possible CAE problem. Just in case you wouldn't be there when they dropped.
     
  16. Kaye White

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    This is why we brought up deceptive practices. If you're aware of them and know what to look for... you stay away from them.There are "tricks" in ANY SPECIES of animal that is shown...even chickens!
    :blush Boy, we sure hijacked this thread..SORRY, Jolene.
    Kaye
     
  17. NubianSoaps.com

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    Yep, there are those who think even the dyeing I do is unethical. To me it's part of fitting, like shading in that prefect rear udder :) Vicki
     
  18. Beverrlly

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    Sory for so many questions! Wouldn't that be a little dangerous if you missed the birth and the kids had nothing to eat and no colostrum right away??
     
  19. ozark_jewels

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    Kids can easily go two or more hours before getting colostrum if need be. So unless it was very cold, they should be fine even if you miss the birth. If you have an idea of when she is due, she should be checked every few hours anyway(more often when its nasty cold), so its unlikely to cause the kids any problems.
     
  20. Bella Star

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    OUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!! on that super glue ! and
    Vicki, You.... Bad to thu bone !