I am posting this to a friend and refering her to the forum to read responses as she is not registered (yet). The situation is a 4 week old kid who is dam raised and suddenly (this morning) standing off by herself. Early this evening she was down completely - can't raise her head or stand. Seems to be crying a lot in pain. Was tubed with milk, nutridrench and gatorade about a half hour ago (friend is desparate) and perked up a bit but still can't get up. I have no idea what's going on, but here are some things I've asked/info i've got. - Kid hasn't had CD&T vaccine (was given anti-toxin at disbudding) - No scours I think the kid is fading fast, but she wants to know if anyone has any ideas just because of having other other kids etc. Thanks for *any* ideas! Josie < - who is swamped in school work but still loves this forum.