She won't eat...

Discussion in 'Dairy Goat Info' started by petey, Jul 5, 2012.

  1. petey

    petey New Member

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    3 year old Nubian doe, had triplets a month ago, lives out in 20 acres pasture with a handful of other goats, sheep and a couple cows...was vaccinated before kidding, wormed with valbezan when she did kid... gets same amount of grain everyday when milking which is only once a day on one side because the kids don't keep that side nursed down enough.
    Suddenly lost all appetite last nite. Stands in same place, not laying down, not eating, very listless. Does not smell like ketosis breath.
    She was very hard to lead last nite, almost like she couldn't walk right, but its hard to say, she doesn't seem to have anything wrong with her legs or back...could have just been cuz she didn't feel good and didn't want to walk...
    any ideas?

    I gave her probios, and vit B complex, and even wormed her again, as her gums are pale.
     
  2. NubianSoaps.com

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    I would milk out both sides of her udder and make sure it's soft and the milk is fine.
    Take her temp.
    Check her eye membranes, in goatkeeping 101 we have the famacha chart, an anemia chart that will help you. Gums are not an indication of anything in ruminants, just single stomached animals.
    Give her a good once over, trim her feet.
    Did you reworm with Valbazen?

    Valbazen isn't a wormer I can use for blood sucking parasites unless it is used with another wormer as a cocktail to go after resistant worms. Vicki
     

  3. petey

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    Her udder is fine, milk is fine. Feet are in good shape. Eyes look good. I lost yet ANOTHER thermometer in the calf pen so I can't check her temp...
     
  4. MRFBarbara

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    Since her gums are pale, I would do a fecal to see what you are dealing with and worm accordingly.
     
  5. NubianSoaps.com

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    Petey what number is she on the famacha chart?
     
  6. petey

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    Vicki she's a 1 or a 2, her eye membranes look real good. She just won't eat. She's hollow in the flanks, disinterested in food, and doesn't lay down. Her bag is not hot, not lumpy, she can walk, because she walked away from the kids when they wanted to nurse. Her bag is very flaccid, so I don't know if they just nursed her dry or if she isn't making any milk today. I wondered if its acidosis or ketosis, although I have no idea WHY she would have either, but I put baking soda out for her, and gave her probios. THere is hay and cubes where she is standing but the most she did was pick a little bit at the hay. She could go out to the pasture if she wanted, but she just stays in one spot. I'm just not sure what to do to help her
     
  7. NubianSoaps.com

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    No milk, no interest in food, usually goes with a low temp and milk fever. And most metobolic conditions in goats are from too much grain concentrate and not enough fiber.

    You really need that temperature, low and treat her for milk fever, high and you have an infection, uterine, pnemonia, it's endless. Vicki
     
  8. petey

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    Thanks vicki...I will keep looking to find that dang thermometer...its a 4 hour drive to get to town so I can't go pick one up! She pooped tonite, kind of a soft mass, not pellets, so I am thinking it's her belly.
    I know I have some CMPK boluses for the cow, and I think I have paste for the cow also...I'm not sure I have anything injectable...
     
  9. Necie@Lunamojo

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    Is she shakey at all--especially in the rear? Grinding teeth?

    I would pull her grain--only feed alfalfa. Pull the kids and bottle feed and see if she's making milk. CMPK--won't hurt, might help. Banamine will help calm her gut if it's a belly issue and help with pain/inflamation if she's having any.
     
  10. petey

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    never could find the thermometer. She doesn't get any grain, unless she's getting milked, and only then what is left from the other goat. Not shakey at all. She did grind her teeth the night night before last. Kids are separated.

    I did give her some of the CMPK gel I had on hand for my Jersey and will give some banamine, as soon as I know how much to give a goat. I assume that will be a subQ injection? She is feeling a little better today, ate some alfalfa pellets and weeds, not interested in hay. She did drink well too. Thanks you guys, I sure hope she pulls out of this. I will give her more CMPK tonite.
     
  11. NubianSoaps.com

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    Banamine is 1cc per 100 pounds.

    Oral CMPK and other products you give orally to cattle doesn't work as well as injectable, it also acidfies the rumen with it's propolyn glycol carrier. Put a dab on your finger and taste it, it is caustic and burns their throat, I don't know how many does simply stop eating because of the oral meds, not a huge fan. Vicki
     
  12. petey

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    I'll try to remember to pick up injectable when we go to town again in Sept. Right now its all I have and an unscheduled trip in would cost me a couple hundred bucks in fuel. :dow
     
  13. petey

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    I just took the chicken scraps out...I stopped by to see if Scarlet wanted any...she ate all the apple cores and peels and gobbled down a piece of bread. After that, she finally started eating some alfalfa. I am relieved and hope she can come out of 911 now. Should I still give her the oral CMPK tonite, or skip it?
     
  14. NubianSoaps.com

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    You will have to just keep guessing at what you are doing is working. Since she is improving just keep doing what you are.

    Why not order via the internet, vet thermometers come with straps so you can connect them to you, no more being lost in the bedding. And all things we use are cheaper via jefferlivestock.com than at a local feed store or TSC that buys from them also! Glad she has perked up. Vicki
     
  15. MF-Alpines

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    FYI....the injectable is a vet script. Just so you know.
     
  16. petey

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    Thanks Cindy, I did not know that!
     
  17. doublebowgoats

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    There are injectable calcium meds that are not rx though. MFO and Calcium Gluconate.
     
  18. MF-Alpines

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    Oh, good point, Michelle. I forgot about those.
     
  19. petey

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    She seems to be doing ok now. She's still looking a little worse for wear, but she's eating and back to her fairly obnoxious self. Got milk again and crying for her babies. Thanks for all your help!
     
  20. NubianSoaps.com

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    Glad she is turning around for you! Vicki