Preliminary (& FINAL)mastitis test results and more questions...

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  1. MayLOC

    MayLOC New Member

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    FINAL TEST RESULTS IN: Still heavy growth from the lesser side and no detected growth from the larger side. A list of antibiotics given from the sensitivity test. But chance of cure rate was given at less than 20% if the doe was not far into her lactation cycle. When doe was reported as dry for the past year, cure rate was '"minimal".

    I had the test done at Rocky Ford, a CSU lab, which is local. We do a lot of cattle testing through them and they are always pleasant and helpful and how wonderful that we can just drop off samples! :biggrin



    To give the history on this doe: 3 yr. old Saanen. Purchased March, 2007 as a "heavy bred doe". Doe was supposed to kid in April, or by June 1st at the latest; never did. Doe had no udder when purchased.

    In early april started bagging up. Started unevenly, then evened out. June came and went doe was still gradually bagging bigger and bigger.

    We figured she must have been bred by our buck when he broke out in april. Over the summer her bag grew slowly in size. She acted fine, but was getting fat; not just pregnant but fat. She was getting 3 pounds alfalfa pellets/day like all the does I was milking.

    I should have preg. tested her, but didn't. Then 1st. of sept. she was in obvious heat (the first I had seen since I bought her) and I took her to the buck and he gladly bred her. That day her bag was actually firm, not hard or hot, just firm, like right before kidding. But I didn't want to miss a poss. heat and let the free-loader have any more time off, so chanced it.

    She has not come back into heat since sept. However now her udder is lopsided. Her right half as of yesterday morning was significantly larger than her left.

    Sadly, Mastitis never dawned on me until a few days ago. :blush So yesterday sampled milk from both sides. While I was at it I milked her completely out also. Got two cups from the left, lesser side and half a gallon from the larger right side. After milking her bag felt empty and normal. Though the milk did appear a little clear/watery, it was not nasty looking or smelling in other way.

    I just got the "preliminary" test results on the milk cultures.

    The left, lesser side: 4+ heavy growth Staph Aureus

    The right, larger side: no growth detected at 24 hours
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    They will call tomorrow with the final culture results and the sensitivity results.

    What is the outlook on this doe in your opinion. Nothing I read sounds very promising of entirely eliminating staph aureus. and everything I read says cut your losses.

    The doe has already been a pretty big loss to us as she has been free-loading since march, supposed to have been bred with reg. kids and if she is bred now she is bred to our nubian buck as that is all we had on the place in sep.! I also happen to really love her layed back personality. The other saanen we bought from the same place in march has turned out to be a very valuable doe to us and milks wonderfully.

    Anyhow, is there hope for treating this doe, or will it be futile? What should be the protocol for her. Shall I dry infuse her and treat with systemic antibiotics like just discussed in the other mastitis thread few days back? She is supposed to be due the 1st of feb.

    Oh and does it sound like this is from a previous infection, or do you think she was infected after we bought her while dry? We have never dealt with mastitis in goats; milk cows years ago, but not goats.

    Thanks .
     
  2. NubianSoaps.com

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    Re: Preliminary mastitis test results and more questions...

    Take this opinon for what it is worth, it is me not you.

    Staph aureus will never be cultured clean out of your doe, it will go down to 1 and then back up to 3 as she goes through her lactation, and especially her dry period. She will also eventually pass this into your herd. You also have to be positive for staph aureus in your herd to have malignant edema/gangrenous mastitis read about this on saanendoah.com I would opt to put her down. If she was a valuable doe in my breeding program I would do a course of IV antibiotics and have her udder removed.

    I would vaccinate the rest of my herd with Lysigin. Vicki
     

  3. MayLOC

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    Re: Preliminary mastitis test results and more questions...

    Thank you Vicki. That is the opinion that seems to be making sense after the reading I have done today. Familiar with Joyce's site also. Nothing I want to dive into. And no, her genetics are not valuable to me anymore than the half sister I already have of hers and neither one valuable w/o an udder :D . And the kids she is possibly carrying are not especially valuable either as they are not pure.

    3 more questions then please: is it possible to guess if she got this before or after purchasing by her history?

    and how risky would it be to purchase again from the same herd this doe came from? She dam raises many of her kids and if this was something the doe had before purchase wouldn't there be great chance of passing it to her daughters, and other milkers?

    Lysigin on order. Should everybody this year get the 5 cc followed by another 5 three weeks later? Is this SQ or IM?
     
  4. NubianSoaps.com

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    Re: Preliminary mastitis test results and more questions...

    Because of what has happened to you has happened to me, I am very careful with does I purchase. The first lactation here is tested. It's highly unlikely that since she has never been in milk at your place that she caught it from your farm. It's more likely that she was dried up this last year with this, and likely sold because of her problem udder. Alot of folks who have mastitis in their herd (and most dairies have 60% this and 70% that in their dairy) cloriform, ecoli, staph, strep....are treating their does and drying them, never knowning that they simply build bacteria numbers up during the dry period, to freshen once again with mastitis. Vicki
     
  5. MayLOC

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    updated the first post with the final results and comments.

    thanks for the help. What types of mastitis respond well to treatment?
     
  6. Kaye White

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    About the only one I've had multiple CURES...not just treatment and udder "looks" ok...but actual test to confirm cure, was Staph spp.

    I cured one doe that had E. Coli mastitis(tested).....but believe me, I NEVER want to treat that again! That doe was given medications 3 times a day for a full 14 days and then another week of once a day treatments. She still has her udder, health and LA'ed this spring with an E in udder. BUT, It was VERY expensive, time consuming and iffy for about 8-10 days. I wanted her genetics and there is not a vet within 300 miles of me, that I would trust to put her under and take the udder off. LSU or OSU would have been my only choices.
    Kaye
     
  7. NubianSoaps.com

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    Staph and ecoli if treated agressively but you likely will loose production in the half anyway with ecoli. Cloriform. Mycoplasma is treatable and vaccinatable now, but I have not had this nor staph aureous. Psuedenomas, acidomydes....there are lots of different bacteria that can infect the udder, getting tests back quickly and using the right drugs quickly is the only way of saving the udder. Acute mastitis that you treat quickly and can get a clear milk test on after treatment is fine....chronic mastitis should be culled for. Vicki
     
  8. Kaye White

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    Totally agree!!!!! You will only spread this throughout your herd. One slip up or others milking and it's inevitable.
    Many people do not have the knowledge, perseverance, nor the acessability to the needed drugs to actually CURE the major types of mastitis and culling is the best means of keeping it out of your herd.
    JMO,
    Kaye
     
  9. MayLOC

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    Yes, I agree. I am not interested in introducing any of this nastiness into the rest of the herd whom I have never had a problem with.

    This doe has been a total loss to us and unfortunately one I have grown to really like. :sniffle But it is all part of the game and we can't afford free-loaders even healthy ones (which she is not) :nooo. So, off she goes to goaty heaven; at least she had a relaxing, loafing, eating and putting on the pounds summer with us! :D
     
  10. NubianSoaps.com

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    You totally can butcher her, older does make wonderful sausage. Vicki
     
  11. MayLOC

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    ya, been thinking about that vicki. Seems such a shame to waste such a nice FAT doe! I have been trying to clean out our deep freeze in prep. for the beef we are having processed in a few weeks though , and personally never have done a goat. have done deer and elk a many and emily's pics. look easy enough. but to have done into sausage I guess you have to have them processed, right? and they add pork sausage or something to the ground meat right. then the aspect of our very food allergic family and what all would be in the end product sausage. or do you just do into sausage at home?
     
  12. NubianSoaps.com

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    We do it at home. Butcher, then I take over, the halves come up on the bar in the kitchen, start deboneing and make one of the kids grind. We save all the bones and husband cuts them up with the bandsaw into about 4 to 6 inch peices which are frozen for the dogs, I don't try to get all the meat off. I buy a pork butt at the store, since it's soo full of fat and add it to the goat meat. Our stores carry sausage seasoning for deer, since we live in deer country, I use it. Then regrind it all one more time. I am not a casing kind of person and prefer to just put it away in 1 pound packages, and make them into patties for breakfast.

    It's much easier to cut chilled meat so you can simply quarter and cool it in a plastic bag, on ice in an icechest or even the bath tub.

    We are using a butcher this year because we want some of the bones ground so we can use the meat for dog patties. Vicki
     
  13. MayLOC

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    Thanks Vicki, all good thoughts; sounds yummy! :biggrin