peeing through umilical cord?

Discussion in 'Dairy Goat Info' started by lovenmranch, Feb 26, 2008.

  1. lovenmranch

    lovenmranch New Member

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    Hi Everyone,

    just got a call from a friend her doeling that was born last night, seems to be peeing through her umbilical cord as well as her vagina. any ideas? or maybe what she is seeing is another type of fuild. Doeling does not appear to have an umbilical herna at this time.

    Melissa
     
  2. Patty13637

    Patty13637 New Member

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    No clue but if she is actually peeing thru the cord she needs to see a vet or put her down as the plumbing is not connected correctly.

    Patty
     

  3. mill-valley

    mill-valley New Member

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    The only thing I can think of is maybe she is a hermaphrodite? I have never seen anything like this.
     
  4. BlueHeronFarm

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    I was just going to say...is she sure it's a doeling?
     
  5. Truly

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    My first thought is there's something wrong with the plumbing.
     
  6. Katarina

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    1)could it be a buckling
    2)could it be that she is not peeing but somehow getting wet and dribbling off the end of the drying cord?
     
  7. Kaye White

    Kaye White New Member

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    There is a condition where the urinary tract and the umbilical cord do not seperate and become different. Not good prognosis.
    I'm kinda' working on some stuff for hubby's business but will get back in a couple of hrs.
    Kaye
     
  8. Kaye White

    Kaye White New Member

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    I have seen this in one calf...though not a goat. The calf was also a male, not a female, but I'm assuming it could happen in a female.

    Hypospadias is a rare congenital malformation of the urethra reported in dogs, sheep, goats, cattle.
    Hypospadias occurs most often in dogs, goats and sheep and only infrequently (0.3%) in cattle (Saunders
    and Ladds, 1978; Hayes and Wilson, 1986). It is believed that the urethra arises by the fusion of the
    paired urethral folds after rupture of the urogenital membrane. A disturbance in this process is thought
    to result in the various forms of hypospadias (Kluth et al., 1988). Hypospadias is thought to be related to
    abnormalities of androgen production and timing of receptor function during male sexual differentiation
    at the early period of gestation (Uda et al., 2004). The male urethra is formed when androgen acts during
    the urethral formation stage and the female urethra is formed in the absence of its action (Kurzrock et
    al., 2000; Uda et al., 2004). Transinguinal descent of the testes also depends on androgens (Hutson et
    al., 1997). Disruption of the fusion of the urogenital folds at different sites along the urogenital tract is
    thought to occur because of variations in the timing of hormone disruptions. Studies in rats, rabbits and
    humans have revealed that dihydrotestosterone, a product of testosterone, is critical in the differentiation
    of the male penis (genital tubercle) and the disorders of production of dihydrotestosterone are
    associated with severe intersex anomalies (Wilson and Lasnitzki, 1971; Baskin, 2000). Hypospadias may
    be a phenotype caused by an inherited genetic defect in families (Ader and Hobson, 1978).

    With all that blah, blah, blah...tell her to check the doeling? for the most obvious sign of hermaphrodite. A small penis protrusion just inside the vagina.
    Kaye
     
  9. MiddleRiver

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    i have seen this in a foal before - she was a filly. I don't remember what my friend's vet said it was called though. She had to be put down.
     
  10. KJFarm

    KJFarm Senior Member

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    We've had a doe kid with it a time or two in years past, chose to put the animal down.
     
  11. lovenmranch

    lovenmranch New Member

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    Had some recomenations to tie off the cord tight and close to the belly and it seems to be working. I will let you know how it turns out.

    Thanks
    Melissa
     
  12. Shykid Acres

    Shykid Acres Guest

    Keep watch for fluid build up around that area inside. Keep track of the doelings overall attitude. If she becomes listless... well you know. :)

    -Kim
     
  13. Sondra

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    wouldn't think tieing off would cure the overall problem especially internally
     
  14. Kaye White

    Kaye White New Member

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    Agreed, Sondra. Kid is just going to build up urine in the abdominal wall and rupture or systemic infection is going to occur. Not good advice.
    Kaye
     
  15. Sondra

    Sondra New Member

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    You know I have been thinking abt this all afternoon and worrying getting so upset to think that this baby could go thru horrific pain and eventitual dealth, if indeed this was urine flowing thru the umbilical cord. I really really hope your friend didn't tie the cord up and will seek professional opinion on this . Can you imagin bursting inside???
     
  16. KJFarm

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    My thoughts exactly!!! This kid needs to be put down or at least have a vet look at her.
     
  17. Kaye, I did a presentation in college on Hypospadias. Only this was the human research done on it. In male babies with hypospadias the urethra would be found anywhere along the penial shaft or sometimes would never have an opening. There are so many androgens in our enviroment today, baby bottles, cans, milk jugs...the list is very long. At least human science can reconstruct the ureter to somewhat "normal" look and function.
    Poor goatie :(
     
  18. Kaye White

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    The surgery we did on the calf was to open up the belly wall...find the split along the penis.. it looked like an upside down Y, determined which ran to the navel and which was actually the penis and surgically cut and sewed the opening. Cut the extra tube, running to the navel, off flush with it. Sewed the whole mess back into place. That bull calf grew up to be one of the biggest, most used, Simmentals in our area. I think the only reason it was attempted was because he was one of the first brought in here. ;)
    It was kinda' interesting though...
    Kaye
     
  19. mill-valley

    mill-valley New Member

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    I don't know as I would want to breed to an animal with that kind of problem...could be passed on to offspring. Do you know if that happened at all with that bull?
     
  20. homeacremom

    homeacremom New Member

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    I was understanding from Kaye's post on hypospasias that this is NOT genetic, but congenital - ie. deformities from gestational environment.