Whew! Them things are SMALL! The momma at least, baby was bigger than we expected for sure! This was a 4th gen dam and a 3rd gen sire...and the single (buck, of course) kid was 6.5lbs! He was BIG, I was really worried about things like prolapse, she really struggled to get him out. (once she decided to push instead of lick people constantly) This doe was 66lbs when bred... Sondra this buckling was born to SanSaba, who is from Ruby and Don Juan and the sire was Bandera, (testosterone on legs :lol) who is from Alexandria and Don Juan.