OK not new to goats but new to this problem. PICS added

Discussion in 'Dairy Goat Info' started by Corky, Jul 15, 2008.

  1. Corky

    Corky New Member

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    I have a doe that has had trouble conceiving.
    First time bred she was barely 70 lbs. didn't take.
    Next time she was 80 lbs. didn't take.
    I geve up and decided to wait till she was a two year old.
    That february 10th she squeezed into the buck pen through the gate and got really stuck.
    We found her three forths of the way in but stuck tight.
    I opened the gate and she raced to the buck and they had a really good time for about a half hour and I drug her back out.
    Her new due date was the 9th. Today is the 15th and no kids but....
    She had a small udder but uneven for about three months.
    A Friend told me to milk her as she was precotious (sp?).
    I didn't want to as she was pregnand but I decided it couldn't hurt this early as she would have plenty of time to make colostrum.
    I milked her out but it was dark yellow and clumpy. I would get colustrum and them the teet would plug.
    I would get the lomg thick pplug out and get more colostrum but then more plugging.
    I finally got all the gunk out.
    After about a week she began to form a nice even udder.

    Fast forward to day before yesteday...
    Nice udder on her now.
    She has gotten much wider and now looks like she might have twins.
    I tested the udder to see if she has colostrum. Looks like milk.
    she is on day 156.
    Now the big thing is......
    She has normal vulva and normal tight ligs.
    No thinning at all.
    Her vulva is about three quarters of an inch long and tight.

    I did a pelvic exam to see if she was a hermy. She has normal vagina as far as I was able to feel.

    Do I start milking her now or give her more time or what?

    I have thought a doe was not pregnant before and she gave me twins.
    I don't want to milk her and then she kids and has no colostrum for them but on the other hand I don't want her to dry up either. I could use the milk.
    :help2
     
  2. kidsngarden

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    Re: OK not new to goats but new to this problem.

    I totally have no idea about your problem really but am wondering this...If you milk out colostrum now why not heat treat it and freeze it for her kidding? Then her babies will have colostrum.
     

  3. paulaswrld

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    Re: OK not new to goats but new to this problem.

    My question is why would you milk?

    Paula
     
  4. Corky

    Corky New Member

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    Re: OK not new to goats but new to this problem.

    If she is not pregnant why would I not milk?
     
  5. stacy adams

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    This is why I love Biotracking! anyway, I would be concerned about milking her too far out from her due date if she is preggers as it normally releases Oxytosin which could cause her to go into labor.
    I milked a doe that was a week overdue (on purpose) to see what would happen, and she started shaking (scared me to death!) wobbled into the barn and had quads.. so be prepared! :)
     
  6. Little Moon

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    Re: OK not new to goats but new to this problem.

    :rofl :rofl

    The visual on this is too funny! I am sure it wasn't funny at the time, but it just tickled my funny bone this afternoon.

    Can you feel a kid in there? At this point it is probably too late to use Biotracking - you would have baby before you get your results back - but if you can feel a baby that might help. I guess either way you could milk her, just save some colostrum - just in case.

    Anne
     
  7. Corky

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    Well I talked to Marion, my Vet and he said to do nothing yet.
    She is a FF and he feels she is just having a tough time dilating as can happen so give her a little more time.

    He said he would not induce a doe that is that tight.

    I ask him if she could just be having a false pregnancy and he said it is possable but he doubts it.

    He said he knows that I am panicing because she is on day 156 and acts like she could care less but with a FF he is not too worried about it.

    One of me goat Friends in this area says she has had a doe go to 160 as a FF and she did OK.
     
  8. Sondra

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    day 156 well I would not be milking or worrying yet
     
  9. Corky

    Corky New Member

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    OK Sondra, I will be a good girl and set on my hands. :/
     
  10. Sondra

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    Yep that ye need to do :) I think it was Lynn that had one go 164 days this year.
     
  11. Corky

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    164 DAYS?"!

    I WILL HAVE A HEART ATTACK AND DIE BEFORE THEN!!!!!!! :crazy
     
  12. NubianSoaps.com

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    Re: OK not new to goats but new to this problem.

    It's always new folks who have crazy dates like that :)

    We routinely milked our does about a week before they were due to kid, to keep us from getting congested udders. It can not bring them into labor, it was a coincidence. The shaking was likely from the expressed calcium from her udder that she needed.

    Corky since it looks as if she is not bred :) milk her! Vicki
     
  13. Corky

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    Thats my girl Vicki!

    I knew you would say something different!

    I just love you to pieces! :rofl

    She did have a congested udder and I did milk that out about a week ago and NO....she did not go into labor. I only wish.

    Also I do have colostrum frozen from this Springs kidding.

    I know better to not have any on hand.

    But......now that I talked to the vet.... I will give her a few more days ....but if I see no progress in her back side I will start milking her.

    It may be my imagination or because I did a pelvic yesterday but she does look softer tonight and the bones on each side are sticking farther back...does that make sense?

    I can't get a good tail check as she is as wild as a march hare.

    I don't know why this one is wild when none of my other ones are.

    I do have a doeling that is wild and she is my only bottle baby.
    Go figure.

    Thanks Vicki.
    I am not afraid to milk her.
    It's just that as long as the udder is getting bigger instead of smaller I know I still have time.

    Just for fun I think I will take some pictures.
     
  14. NubianSoaps.com

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    I just knew that if I committed to "Milk her she is not bred" you would go out and have kids in the morning! Vicki
     
  15. Corky

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    WELL! I AM NOT having any kids and I don't think she wants to either!

    Heck, I don't blame her! That HURTS! I remember it well and my baby is 30! :biggrin

    I gotta go take those pictures so you will see why I am so confused on this one. Be right back!
     
  16. Corky

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    What do you think? One or two?

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    Not a bad udder for a FF don't you think?

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    Day 157! WHAT THE HECK!!!!!
     
  17. NubianSoaps.com

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    In my vastly experienced opinion I would say......

    Maybe yes or maybe no :rofl :rofl Vicki
     
  18. laughter777

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    She is waiting for you to decide there isn't anything in there, make big plans, be on your way out to big plans, glance into pen and see extra legs under her! We had a mare do that (literally) We thought she was bred...huge, kept weight through winter (never did that)...then nothing and we thought we had the right due date so we decided she just liked her new feed and pasture. So we decided to head to Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo. Fed in the AM...kissed her by, went and got showered, dressed ready to go. Drove pass the pasture and low and behold 4 extra legs!!
     
  19. Corky

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    YES! Exactly!

    Have you ever seen anything like that before?

    That vulva looks bigger in the picture too. It's an inch long at the most.
    :rofl :rofl
     
  20. Truly

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    After Vicki's post, I feel very uncertain....

    But, for what it's worth, (maybe nothing), I think she looks bred and close to delivering. My reasons, her tummy looks like the babies have dropped, her vulva looks likes it's loosening and the udder definitely looks ready to milk.

    Is there any way she was bred the next cycle after you deliberately bred her? That could explain the apparent late date.