oh no, a lump

Discussion in 'Dairy Goat Info' started by chewie, Jul 29, 2008.

  1. chewie

    chewie New Member

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    the last few weeks i've seen a lump on my old goat. it was fairly hard, then went down so i didn't think much more about it. its been getting bigger again, and a bit less hard, so tonight i had hubby lance it--oh gag, it looked like off white thick glop, sickening. it was on the shoulder area where the neck meets shoulder. i just know what i am up against, but do i bother testing the goo??? oh geesh, i have barely started this goat thing, now this. i have her isolated, wore gloves, and tossed the goo. i am getting actually sick at this point, i liked the old gal, wasn't a huge milker but veyr steady and so easy going. she is older, i got her 'from a guy' to try her out before i bothered really getting 'into' goats.

    if i should just cull, fine, i'll do it. sadly, but what else can i do?? the test, do i send in the goo? i tried to search but right now i am so rattled, i am not doing much very effienctly. please advise!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  2. NubianSoaps.com

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    You have to test the exude. Just go squish out the abscess with a ziplock for a glove and get as much of the stuff as you can in the ziplock. Put it into the fridge and send it to UC Davis. Call them and ask them how and when to send it, I would assume it still has to be kept cold. Ask them to test it for CL. If it is positive, everything the exude touched including you is able to catch cornybacterium from it. It is a disease of all warm blooded mammals. It could also be something out, doubful though. Vicki
     

  3. rg1950

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    If you have other goats, keep this one isolated from them, until you know if it's CL. Just in case it is CL, it is contagious. Just a precaution.

    Tara
     
  4. chewie

    chewie New Member

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    yes, she is away from others, and angry! but i cannot take a chance. the others came from places that did not have this, and i have horses, dogs, and cattle (and children!) so angry as she may be, this is too bad. i am sad, but at least she isn't my best girl. her milk was pretty good tho.!

    the pus wasn't really soft, it was really pretty hard, more like cream cheese. but it was in a spot that all the diagrams show as possible. the wall of the 'pocket' were very thick, and without this pus now there is a hole about the size of a ping pong ball. calling around tomorrow to see what/where to test it. also considering just taking her back to the guy i got her from.
     
  5. mill-valley

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    CL abcesses typically have pretty hard, dry exudate. It is in a typical area for CL as well.
     
  6. Ashley

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    Sorry to hear it, it does sound like CL, from all I've heard anyway. It's Caseous Lymphatenitis - caseous is cheese, hence the "cream cheese".
     
  7. SherrieC

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    how big are cl lumps? bigger than golf balls ? are they ever as small as a grape? Like a shot lump?
     
  8. Kalne

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    Hoping it's not CL. We have had two scares in the last couple months and all testing came back negative.
     
  9. NubianSoaps.com

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    Yes Sherrie, we had them in the brisket that were the size of eyeballs. To the huge golfball, quickly grow to softball and burst size on necks and point of elbow, why I don't give shots there. But CL abscess are different than shot sites or cysts, which feel more like hard marbles under the skin you can move. Connected to the lymph glands CL are like trying to move your elbow or knee, they are deep seated in the body, they also get super hard, then a small blood spot appears as the weakness area that will burst first. Vicki
     
  10. chewie

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    IT ISN'T CL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! vet said nope, thought it was an area that had gotten a big 'hit' of some sort, like from fighting or something. altho no one could see any object, he didn't rule that out either, but like vicki said, he just said it was too odd that it wasn't there and no signs of other issues (like around her jawline etc.) it was just a lump, nothing at all!!! yeah, i git to keep ol gramma!
     
  11. BlissBerry

    BlissBerry Guest

    Until you have tested you cannot be sure this doe is negative for CL. Do let yourself fall into a false sense of security.

    I certainly hope this doe isn't one of the animals you are planning on bringing to your fair.

    It is very suspicious for CL.

    Sara
     
  12. cmharris6002

    cmharris6002 Guest

    Listen to Sara!

    I know two different people that were sold CL positive goats. In each circumstance the seller told them that the abscess was from an injury and nothing to worry about. I pressed them to have the does tested and in both cases they were POSITIVE. This doesn't mean your goat is going to test positive it just means that until you test you just don't know.

    Christy
     
  13. Kaye White

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    I agree! Without it tested....and just by "looking" at it...there's no way to tell if it's just a sterile abcess or CL! If it were in a spot that didn't contain a lymph node...I "MIGHT" agree. But that's a very common spot for CL abcesses.
    Kaye
     
  14. nitrors4

    nitrors4 Guest

    I look at Vets just like I look at doctors. They troubleshoot problems based on book knowledge and experience. They can easily be wrong.
     
  15. chewie

    chewie New Member

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    ugh, i do not know how to get her tested now, as the only goop was that first stuff, it never got full again, it sealed up and is now completely normal looking. no oozing, no nothing. she is still in her own pen, and doing well. how can i test her without any goop???
     
  16. cmharris6002

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    You can blood test. Both does that the people I know tested used blood tests. Since she has recently had an active abscess if it is CL it should show up in her blood.

    Christy
     
  17. SherrieC

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    Yah test her blood, if no goop, test it test it test it. Vets argh. You need to be your Own Spealcialist.
     
  18. chewie

    chewie New Member

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    ok, i'll test her blood then. hmm, i was all excited that the issue was over. this is not fun
     
  19. susie

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    Chris-- nope not fun but the *right* thing to do-- hoping for the best!

    Susie
     
  20. SherrieC

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    and IF the tests come back Negative, I'ld still test again in 6 months, and watch for new lumps on this doe. Some People I've known have tested "suspects" every Month for 6 months in a row.