Nutritional Value of Black Oil Sunflower Seeds

Discussion in 'Dairy Goat Info' started by Sondra, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. cmharris6002

    cmharris6002 Guest

    Wow! I would have thought that barley was more similar to oats. It sure looks like a great source of copper. I'm glad I've kept it in my mix.

    Christy
     

  2. LynninTX

    LynninTX New Member

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    barley is just too iffy for me... can't store it as it turns fast and feed store runs out
     
  3. SherrieC

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    I don't think we ever have barley available to us.
     
  4. coso

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    I'm going to see how much BOSS is next time I go to the feedstore. The rice bran I switched to is a lot cheaper but it is messy. Alfalfa pellets came down I paid $7.45/50# the other day. I was talking to my BIL that works in the feedstore and he said corn has come down too. When corn comes down usually everything else follows so maybe BOSS will also.
     
  5. Sondra

    Sondra New Member

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    BOY I hope your right on the costs going down everything her jumped a dollar higher here this last week.
     
  6. Wendy Tinney

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    Thank you so much for the info. It is so nice to see what else BOSS contains besides good fat, and I found the barley nutrition very interesting also. I will be checking into that farther!!

    Wendy
     
  7. Bella Star

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    No Barley here to be found and the Sunflower seeds are out of season around here, so I use about 1 sm.Tablespoon of sunflower oil drizzled over the feed on the stand while milking .
     
  8. MRFBarbara

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    Thanks for the great info, my grain has barley and Boss and this is great.
    Barbara
     
  9. Secondairy

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    We have recently switched from a bagged commercially available feed to a custom mix that contains both BOSS and Barley. I knew the breeder that I got our goats from was on to something when we purchased a buckling from her last year. We went back there this summer and got another buckling, and two dry yearlings, and the size differences were AMAZING! our buckling is probably in the 80-90lb range, and his litter mate sister is 125lbs easy! The other dey yearling is a few months younger, and is also right in that weight range. Our management was the same minus feed. I was going through alot more feed than she was per head, but was really not that happy with the results. I tried everything from pellets, to sweet, to a mix of both. One thing I know for sure is our herd HATES pellets with a passion. They would leave them in the feeder to spoil in the sun. At one point, we were feeding 4lbs per animal per day, and we were still not pleased with their development. We are now feeding 1lb per head, and are already seeing results in the form of lean muscle on their frames.

    Her mix for 100lbs of feed is roughly as follows:
    45lbs corn, 21lbs roasted soybeans, 13.75lbs oats, 10lbs barley, 2.5lbs BOSS, 2 to1 dairy mineral, salt, yeast, bicarb, garlic, vit ADE, selenium, Zinpro (mineral for feet), wet molasses.

    I have the actual amounts of each, but have not gotten permission form her to publicly post them, but I can see what she says. They grow all of their own feed, and also mix it them selves on an as needed basis. I really wish I had the land to do it like that too!

    When I had a mill make this feed, they were very surprised at the ingredients, and more so that this feed is whole grain. She said there is an effectiveness in the enzymes of the animals saliva that helps process these grains better when whole rather than cracked, and when they first started with the goats, her husband (a born and bred dairy cattle farmer) was thinking 'dairy animal' and coarse cracked them. That first year she had low milk production, loose berries and skinny goats. Someone suggested to her to feed the grain whole, and by the end of the second year, she had triple production, solid berries and well fleshed animals.

    This might not work for everyone, but it seemed to work for her. As we got several animals from her farm, we decided to continue the feed practices as we live in the same state, although we are at a slightly higher altitude. I really liked what I saw, and don't want to set them back, as this year's purchases will be producing springs kids.

    Anyway, off my soapbox! I replied to this thread as we are feeding a decent amount of barley and BOSS, and recently I learned alot about grain nutrition from spending so much time with the owner of the mill and discussing the feed with him and his nutritionalist. I can definitely see the effects of this in our herd, and they are very positive!

    Kelly :)
     
  10. NubianSoaps.com

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    Did you, do you now feed similar hay also? vicki
     
  11. Secondairy

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    She fed mixed hay - grass/timothy/alfalfa (also home grown), and hers are on pasture. I used separate bales of timothy, alfalfa, and grass as I cant get consistent quality mixed bales. I have hay bags instead of racks (the horse kinds with the head hole), and put each in each a different bag and the goats can eat whatever one they prefer. I noticed that ours tend to eat more of the timothy than anything, but will eat more alfalfa in winter when given the choice. Ours are also on more browse than pasture, but they have a small area for straight grazing. They really don't utilize that area much though. Eating the 'woods' is their idea of heaven it would appear ;)

    We only have 8 goats, and we are more hobby than anything, so this is working right now financially. I buy my hay from private farmers when it is 'in season', and can get decent second and third cut alfalfa right now for $3.50. I am picking up 50 bales this week, and probably another 30 next. I have 30 bales of timothy left 3rd cut...and get the orchard grass delivered when the Boer guy up the road has surplus. The closest feed store rapes us at $9.00 a bale for yellow, stemmy bales of alfalfa that is poor colored and light as a feather when we run short. I also buy hay 'for horses', as when we were buying 'for goats' the hay quality was obviously poorer. Their timothy is not much better at $7 a bale, and they never have grass. There are 4 feed stores in our area, and all vary on hay price and quality. The best quality one has the highest price, add another $1 to each before mentioned. It is ridiculous! If my trailer was larger, I would go to auction and buy hay there, but I can only get 35 when my mini van is hauling, and most are 50-60 bale stacks. Plus I am a sissy, and the idea of hauling more than that, even strapped down 40 miles down I80 from NJ to PA scares me :crazy

    So to answer your question Vicki- sort of. The components are the same, but the goats have a choice of hays to eat. Plus ours have 98% browse over pasture.

    Kelly :)
     
  12. nitrors4

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    45lbs corn, 21lbs roasted soybeans, 13.75lbs oats, 10lbs barley, 2.5lbs BOSS, 2 to1 dairy mineral, salt, yeast, bicarb, garlic, vit ADE, selenium, Zinpro (mineral for feet), wet molasses.


    Is that really a good mix? Pretty much everything I read says corn is bad, so I find a feed mix with almost half corn to be bad. Perhaps someone will school me, but to this novice I don't see this as a good feed.
     
  13. NubianSoaps.com

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    There are few secret bullets to feeding, why I asked about the hay. Cruical is alfalfa. Then grain for protien if it's not in the alfalfa (raw soybeans which we have to go the coop for) energy and carbs (barley and oats) and fat (corn and boss)

    Boss is just to expensive to use in anything other than kid growing, and corn is mostly untested out here, especially whole corn you never want to feed 'deer' corn out here to your goats. Barley is too expensive to use.

    So with an eye on alfalfa, then improving the carbs, energy, and fat with oats, a little corn if it's in a horse feed since you know it's tested then, for fat, and a protein, soybeanmeal (calf manna knock offs are all soybean meal based). There are tons of ways to skin a cat.

    Wendlands has a dry mix in from 12 to 16 percent with it being menued...oats, some barley some corn and their supplement (the calf manna knock off that I use). that and you being able to get the Coops alfalfa pellets right there in Splendora is easy...are there Wendlands dealers around you? Vicki
     
  14. thymeless

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    Boss is just to expensive to use in anything other than kid growing, and corn is mostly untested out here, especially whole corn you never want to feed 'deer' corn out here to your goats. Barley is too expensive to use

    Vicki, just curious, why you would not use "deer corn"?
     
  15. NubianSoaps.com

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    It's untested for aflitoxins (no matter how I spell this it isn't right :) and it's also the poorest of qualites. I also don't feed whole corn because it grinds down the girls molars, most folks don't think about this but if you do stay in goats and feed whole corn your girls will be gummers as old ladies, just when they need their molars to keep in good shape.

    So that's why I don't feed corn, use mineral blocks that they scrape their teeth on etc.. Vicki
     
  16. Ashley

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    Interesting, didn't know that about the corn. I guess if a person had to feed it they could soak/sprout it?
     
  17. NubianSoaps.com

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    Goats are only allowed 100 PPB's of aflatoxins in the corn, it's a mycotoxin. Deer can have 800PPB's...and honestly that is because it's a minor species and feed that doesn't hit muster can be dumped as deer corn.

    Texas A&M has some studies on this, it's some scarry stuff, animals who are poisioned with this never recover back to 100%. Vicki
     
  18. mill-valley

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    The corn quality depends on the area. Our corn is good up here, I've fed mixes with it for years. Sometimes whole, sometimes cracked. The mix I have now is 30% whole corn, they do great on it. But as Vicki said, grain should be a fairly small portion of the goat's total ration anyway.