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I read with interest your nicely detailed account of how you repaired =
the conditions experienced by your young kids with selenium injections. =
I know that had to be tremendously rewarding for as you, as well as =
highly educational for the list members. Thank you for taking the time =
to share the experience!

But it worries me a bit that you've singled out selenium as the sole =
hero of your story (ie: ".5 mg selenium injection to each of the three", =
and "gave the dams 5 mg selenium" and "plan to call vet as soon as they =
are open this AM to see how much more selenium I can give safely") even =
though in fact you used BoSe. You even went so far as to say that =
selenium is the generic name for BoSe! (..."I just find it safer and =
more accurate to use the generic name for the drug.") This is a bit =
misleading to the reader, Jenny.=20

Selenium, far from being merely a generic name for the drug, is the name =
identifying one of the two equally important active ingredients in the =
product. Vitamin E is the name of the other ingredient. For many years =
we've been calling this combo 'selenium-tocopherol'. In the current VPB =
it is identified as 'selenium-Vitamin E'. For those who are interested =
in achieving the same level of success in repairing their own goats that =
you did with yours, I believe it's vital to let them know that you =
didn't do it with just selenium injections as you indicated when =
recounting the experience, but that in fact the selenium and Vitamin E =
work as a team to bring about this rapid improvement in debilitated =
mammals. And BTW, that's ALL mammals, not just goats. And, it's used for =
that purpose in all parts of the country, not just in 'selenium =
deficient' areas. Using BoSe as a part of the adjunct therapy, for years =
now I have been routinely repairing cats and dogs, and helping other =
people in all parts of the country to do the same thing for their own =
animals, achieving the same level of success on them with it that you =
talk about in your post. In fact, I myself take a 200mcg tablet of =
selenium along with a 1000 unit capsule of Vitamin E daily (my own =
version of BoSe!), and have done this for many years. And trust me, I'm =
one very healthy ol' broad! <grin>=20

So... No matter what your veterinarian may tell you (and what he says is =
frankly merely a 'guesstimate' on his part anyway), BoSe should not be =
relegated simply to use in so-called 'selenium deficient' areas! In my =
view it should be incorporated into the treatment of debilitated animals =
whenever and wherever there is a need for immune system stimulus. This =
'selenium deficiency', after all, cannot be readily determined, =
excepting in individual animals, and through blood testing. Even using =
that approach, an accurate selenium level in a living animal is hard to =
pin down... And frankly, the most reliable way to measure it is by =
checking a sample of liver tissue at necropsy. Those maps defining =
selenium-deficient areas of the USA that we see occasionally are not =
absolute... They are generally produced by, say, doctoral candidates, to =
fulfill requirements for their advanced degrees, and I guarantee you =
that those Doctorial students are not actually out there testing soils =
in the different areas, but only regurgitating for the most part the =
work of previous doctoral candidates that used that same approach. Thus, =
there is no actual way for the herd owner, or for the veterinarian, to =
positively determine that what those maps indicate has any validity at =
all. =20

And that 1mg of selenium combined with 50mg of Vitamin E in the BoSe =
product is designed essentially to boost the effectiveness of the =
Vitamin E in stimulating the immune system, and is not really sufficient =
to replace selenium in an actually selenium-deficient mammal. So if I =
had a positively ID'd selenium-deficient animal, one that was deficient =
enough to be showing classic symptoms of same, I would certainly be =
dosing it with a product that contained more selenium than BoSe does!=20

For those who are interested in learning more about the levels of =
selenium present in the popular selenium/Vitamin E products on the =
market today, here is a list of them.=20

BoSe: 1mg selenium, 50mg Vitamin E, in each ml of the product.
MuSe: 5mg selenium, 50mg Vitamin E, in each ml of the product.
Myosel B: 1mg selenium, 50mg Vitamin E, in each ml of the product.
Myosel E: 2.5mg selenium, 50mg Vitamin E, in each ml of the product.
Myosel M: 5mg selenium, 50mg Vitamin E, in each ml of the product.

BTW: If anyone reading this doesn't have a veterinary source available =
to provide BoSe for you, please contact me, [email protected], and I can =
probably direct you to one.=20

Below is an article I wrote some time ago explaining just how the BoSe =
works to stimulate the animal's immune system, enabling it to help in =
its own repair from within, while we humans work on it from the outside. =
As I've sent this post to the list previously, for those who are in a =
rush and/or don't want to wade thru the pertinent details again, I'll =
sum it up right here as briefly as I can:

BoSe works so well to improve the health of mammals because of the =
teamwork involved. In each ml of the product there is 1mg of Selenium, =
combined with 50mg of Vitamin E (an already well-known immune system =
stimulant in its own right), with the result that the selenium causes =
the Vitamin E to work 6 times better than it could by itself, and at the =
same time the Vitamin E renders the selenium in the combo non-toxic!=20

The details backing up that statement are found below... For those that =
are inclined to seek further input on this... Happy reading! (smile) =
BTW At the very bottom of the article, for those who are interested in =
reading about it, I have provided an overview of my own routine approach =
to treating a sick animal, including the adjunct therapy.

Sue Reith
Carmelita Toggs
Bainbridge Island WA=20
[email protected]=20

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue Reith" [email protected]
Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 11:52 AM
Subject: BoSe; Selenium/tocopherol: How/why it works to stimulate the =
immune
system (Dwight Cochran DVM)

A list member asks:

>>Where did you get the info on the reasons behind combining selenium =
and
Vit E?<<

Sue Reith responds: Here's my article on BoSe and how it works...

BoSe; Selenium/tocopherol: =20
How/why it works to stimulate the immune system=20
(including the research done by Dwight Cochran DVM)

The means by which BoSe works is essentially that the presence of that 1 =
mg of Selenium with the 50 mg of Vitamin E in each ml of BoSe makes the =
Vitamin E work 6 times more efficiently, while the
presence of the Vitamin E makes that 1 mg of Selenium in the product =
non-toxic. You might want to present this to a vet you have a working =
relationship with, and tell him it is important to you to keep your =
goats' internal defenses strong. It would be helpful if vets would =
realize that the owner has a right to maintain a strong immune system in =
his/her animals as a management tool.

Vets should not be afraid of BoSe, which I believe is what we are =
dealing with here, and further I suspect it is simply because of their =
own lack of understanding regarding the subject. They hear that =
Selenium is toxic, and by itself in large amounts it certainly would be, =
and as a consequence they fear that by providing a client with BoSe they =
might be decreeing the death of the client's animal, which is not good =
for business. But in fact the issue has nothing to do with whether or =
not the area in which they live is
sufficient/deficient in selenium, but rather it is the presence of that =
1mg of selenium in combination with the 50mg of Vitamin E in the =
injection that is so critical to the strengthening of the animal's =
immune system.

The vet meds reference book, called the VPB (Veterinary Pharmaceuticals =
and Biologicals) does not address the detrimental effect on livestock of =
too much available environmental selenium that worries vets so when they =
are considering the potential use of BoSe, as it isn't really a relevant =
issue in discussion of the BoSe product. However, they do discuss the =
synergistic effect of selenium in combination with Vitamin E. This =
synergistic effect may be a basic concept simply understood and taken =
for granted by chemists and pharmacologists today, although it appears, =
from the reticence of Vets to prescribe BoSe, that may be an =
unproductive approach... I really don't know why you can't pick up your =
average livestock management book and read about it... I guess it is one =
of those things you soak up with research and experience along the =
way... Who knows?

But what I do know is that a well-known and highly respected Caprine Vet =
by the name of Dwight Cochran, a teaching Prof at Purdue University =
School of Vet Medicine, gave a talk back in 1979 (and probably at other =
times as well, but I only have a copy of this one) overviewing the =
research done by the
AASGP (American Ass'n of Sheep and Goat Practitioners) (currently =
renamed AASRP, after they included Llamas among their interests) on this =
subject in which he stated (and I am only giving you a pertinent =
paragraph here, as the speech was very long):

To wit:

FUNCTIONS AND INTERRELATIONSHIPS OF =
SELENIUM-TOCOPHEROL
By Dwight E =
Cochran DVM

Selenium functions as an essential component of glutathione peroxidase, =
the enzyme that breaks down peroxides, while tocopherol appears to =
function as a secondary line of defense against peroxide damage. In the =
absence of an adequate intake of selenium, tocopherol will act to =
protect the cell
membrane. Tocopherol, however, cannot replace the need for selenium. =
This mechanism is the basis for describing tocopherol as an antioxidant =
for Vitamin A and necessary polyunsaturated fatty acids. Selenium =
compounds also function in the transport of tocopherol within the body. =
Further biochemical interrelationships are beyond the scope of this =
discussion, but it should be noted that various researchers have shown =
that there is a close relationship in the biomedical activities of =
selenium and tocopherol and that there is a definite synergistic effect =
when the two are used together. Tocopherol reduces the toxicity of =
selenium drastically and selenium potentiates the effects of tocopherol =
as much as six times.

end of paragraph.

Sue Reith
Carmelita Toggs
Bainbridge Island WA

------Addendum------

My own approach, developed over the past few years through observation =
of the results with and without the use of BoSe as adjunct therapy, =
along with whatever else is being used to restore the animal to good =
health, is that using BoSe to stimulate the immune system so that the =
body of the debilitated animal can help itself while I treat it =
therapeutically speeds up the repair time markedly.

My routine approach these days when treating a sick animal is the =
following:

BoSe inj (at the rate of 1cc/40 lbs SQ) is given once daily for 3 =
days...
Then it is given once every 2nd day for 3 doses... Then once a week for =
a
month...

However, in an animal that is older, so that his/her own immune system =
functions less efficiently than it did in earlier years, and in =
particular when there is some disease involved for which, in this older =
animal, there is no known cure, I have found, much to my astonishment, =
that continuing BoSe monthly on a permanent basis after having =
introduced the initial regimen outlined above results in markedly =
increased health and greater expectation of longevity in that animal.

To illustrate by drawing from my own experience:

A couple of years ago I discovered a large tumor about the size of a =
goose egg on the front leg of my 12 year old male Australian Shepherd. =
Biopsy revealed that it was a spindle-cell-sarcoma. The veterinarian =
immediately suggested surgery to remove it, but I declined, having =
learned from experience that once surgery is performed tumors generally =
metastasize rapidly. I preferred not to put my old dog thru that =
stressful process and opted instead to begin the BoSe regimen I spelled =
out above. I had hoped
that the stimulation of his immune system in this manner would keep the =
tumor from enlarging more and/or spreading. Instead, a month later the =
tumor had actually shrunk! It was all but imperceptible when palpating =
the leg! About 6 months later I tried to skip the monthly BoSe =
injection, and
after 2 months went by I found it had started to grow again, so I =
immediately went back to the month injections, which reduced the tumor =
once again and kept it under control in an all-but-non-existent state =
for the remainder of my dog's life. He passed away at just short of 14 =
years old, of an unrelated cause.

Sue Reith
Carmelita Toggs
Bainbridge Island WA=20
[email protected]
 
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