Okay, this is huge issue with us and we've been working very hard with this in our herd but still have a long way to go to keep the progress we have and then to improve on it in our herd. We both come from a beef cattle background. LOL - as a kid I was in 4-H with our Angus and even entered some judging contests for the Angus field days and placed! So, we now have dairy goats for several years. We are getting better at seeing the right things but sometimes my eye is still drawn to beef type character. I know when I talked about this with our appraiser this year, our Jersey walked by and he said, look for that in our goats! We're trying. What things are the foundations for dairy character? Can you suggest some specifics for us to look for and concentrate on in our goats to help us? Small things that would be easy starting points to look for in kids.