Long shot at this point that anyone is up but here goes.... 2 year old 1/4 Boer, 1/4 Saanen, 1/4 LaMancha/Alpine, 1/4 Pygmy doe. Second freshener. Delivered twin bucks last year to the same buck she is settled to in the few hours no one was at the barn. Unassisted, did just wonderfully. Her ligaments have been completely gone for at least 12 hours now. She has not gone into the serious pushing stage but has shown major discomfort. She's given a few cursory grunts and strains. Rolls onto her side. Is having contractions, but no real forward progression. Kids have never appeared to be in birthing position yet. I've gone in up to my wrist twice and have run into basically a wall each time. She, of course, strains when I do that. I'm just not sure what I am feeling. I feel what ought to be a sack and what I am feeling has a strong artery/blood vessel pumping quite a bit of blood. This last time I checked I think I finally found a very small opening, which would be the cervix, but it is not all that open at all. If a kid is not presenting properly will the cervix still dialate normally? She has been gritting her teeth off and on. She just hasn't done any of the serious pushing I expect by now.