IMAXI-MIN Caprine Mineral-What do you think?

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  1. baileybunch

    baileybunch New Member

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    Mary's contact info, email me at goathappy@gmail.com
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    IMAXI-MIN CAPRINE MINERAL

    FOR GOAT OWNERS WHO DEMAND THE BEST.

    AT LAST, THERE IS A MINERAL SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR YOUR HARD-WORKING DAIRY GOATS. ( YES, IT WILL WORK GREAT FOR MEAT GOATS , TOO. AFTER ALL, THOSE DOES NEED THE BEST NUTRITION PROVIDING FOR THEIR FAST- GROWINGKIDS!)

    MARY KELLOGG HAS 35 YEARS OF DAIRY GOAT KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE. NOW,WITH THE EXPERT ASSISTANCE OF DR. STEVE HART OF LANGSTON UNIVERSITY , A MINERAL HAS BEEN FORMULATED TO PROVIDE OPTIMAL NUTRITIONAL SUPPORT. MARY KELLOGG AND THE MINRULAX COMPANY DEVELOPED THE VERY FIRST MINERAL (that we are aware of) MADE SPECIALLY FOR DAIRY GOATS IN THE US OVER 30 YEARS AGO!

    IF YOU ARE FEEDING A MULTI-SPECIES MINERAL, YOUR GOATS ARE BEING ROBBED OF SOME VERY IMPORTANT MINERALS. IF YOUR GOATS ARE BEING ROBBED NUTRITIONALLY, SO ARE YOU ! NONE OF THE MINERALS I FOUND ON THE MARKET ADDRESS THE ADDITIONAL COBALT NEEDS OF THE DAIRY GOAT, ESPECIALLY TOGGENBURGS AND LA MANCHAS.

    MOST MIXES ON THE MARKET ARE DEFICIENT IN MANY ESSENTIAL MINERALS. SOFAR, I HAVE FOUND NONE WHICH CONTAIN OPTIMAL LEVELS OF VIT. A,D, E , THE B COMPLEX, AND COBALT. ALL OF THESE RELATIONSHIPS ARE SYNERGISTIC----IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT EVERYTHING IS BALANCED.

    ALSO , THE CALCIUM PHOSPHORUS RATIOS ARE WRONG. THE IDEAL IS 1.2:1, not 2:1. WHY ARE THEY ALL USING THE 2: 1 RATIO? BECAUSE PHOSPHORUS IS EXPENSIVE, THAT'S WHY! NOT because that is the correct ratio.

    This mineral is made with the BEST ingredients we currently haveavailable, NOT the cheapest! It is not perfect, because there is just too much that is still unknown, but we are working on it, with the assistance of our "girls" and the other breeders who are generously providing feed-back!

    ONE MINERAL CANNOT POSSIBLY PROVIDE ADEQUATE MINERAL LEVELS FOR SEVERAL SPECIES OF ANIMAL ! JUST THINK ABOUT IT, AND DO SOME RESEARCH.

    Without cobalt, Vitamins C, K , and the Bs cannot be synthesized.Without adequate cobalt, copper cannot be utilized. (This is why many have found that the copper boluses did not work well, or at all! ) This are justa FEW of the relationships that are integral to how the body works. (Yep, ours too!) Our best source of cobalt is MILK! The girls cannot give it to us if they are not getting it!

    When doing research, I found a definite link confirmed in studies between copper deficiency and aneurysms. This probably explains why I lost a 2year old and a 4 year old last spring to aneurysms. One friend lost 2 bucks during breeding season ,and another friend lost a yearling doe. These animals all appeared to be in good shape physically, but all were showing signs of copper deficiency. (Bald spot on tails, "rusty" black, white hairs in Toggs, etc.)

    PLEASE do NOT give this mineral to animals that have had copperboluses for at least 4 months after administering the bolus. We do not know if itwould be safe, or create toxic levels of copper.

    PLEASE LET US KNOW ABOUT CONSUMPTION RATES AND PALATABILITY. THIS IS A "WORK IN PROGRESS" AND WE MAY ADJUST THE FORMULA SOMEWHAT AS TIMEPASSES.

    IF YOUR GOATS "DEVOUR" THE MINERAL WHEN YOU BEGIN TO FEED IT, THEN YOU KNOW THAT THEY WERE CERTAINLY VERY DEFICIENT IN ESSENTIALS! (Mother Natureseems to have equipped her creatures within an innate knowledge of what theyneed for health.) If they do this, we suggest adding one part of fine, NON-IODIZED salt to 4 or 5 parts mineral for the first month or so. Salt can easily be found at a feed store. Some goats have been verysuspicious of this "new" feed for a while, others have no hesitation. If they are hesitant, I have found that "eating" the mineral myself, with appropriate chomping and lip-smacking noises, often works!

    WE ARE CONTINUING TO RESEARCH THE BEST BIOAVAILABLE FORMS OF MINERALS AND VITAMINS. THERE WILL ALSO BE HERBALS AND CHELATES IN A PLUS FORMULA WEARE WORKING ON FOR THE FUTURE TO ENHANCE YOUR GOATS HEALTH---AND YOURS!This is as natural as we can make it. We cannot use organic oils like coconut or soy, due to rancidity problems and possible changes in consumptionrates. If no oil was used , there would be a serious problem with the dispersionrates of the heavier and lighter minerals , which would settle out, or rise, during transport. there would also be dust, which could cause lungproblems. Changes in dispersion could cause very serious problems with the minerals like cobalt, selenium, and copper toxicity.

    THERE WILL BE NO SALT OR FILLER ADDED TO OUR MINERAL. IF YOU NEED TO (OR CHOOSE TO) ADD SALT TO LIMIT CONSUMPTION IN SELF-FEEDERS, YOU CAN DO THAT VERY CHEAPLY BY ADDING IT YOURSELF! SALT LEVELS IN 3 OF THE MOST POPULAR MINERALS ARE FROM 18.2% - 45% (RESEARCH IT YOURSELFON-LINE).-----SHIPPED TO YOU AS PART OF YOUR MINERAL. If you figure out the actual cost of the other minerals without the salt, you will be shocked. (I certainlywas !)

    YOU WILL GET MORE FOR YOUR MONEY WITH OUR MINERAL. (Bear in mind that the salt level affects the amount of mineral your goat isgetting---400 ppm of something contained within mineral that is 45% salt means your animal gets just over HALF that amount! (If of course, they are willing to eat that much salt! Most goats are smart enough not to eat that muchsalt. How would you like a tablespoon of salt with your vitamin pill?)

    I BOUGHT ONE "MINERAL" SUPPLEMENT THAT WAS MORE THAN 75% FILLER!---SALT, SOYBEAN MEAL, AND WHEAT HULLS MEANT THAT THE DOES HAD TO EAT AT LEAST6-8 OZ. PER DAY TO GET EVEN A PART OF THE REQUIRED MINERALS! At $ 27.00 per bag, I was paying $20.25 for less than 13 lb. of actual mineral! That means that 50 lb. of mineral cost more than $81.00 ! What made it worse isthat copper levels were totally inadequate, as were several other essentials, like cobalt!

    YOU NEED TO REALLY READ THE LABEL! If you cannot figure out what it all means , ask your local animal extension specialist or a nutritionist for help. Just be cautious, as some will use cow or sheep requirements--and often , the chart they use is over 30 years old! I suggest looking at the research papers Langston University has done--under the Kika de GarzaGoat Institute online.

    SALT COSTS JUST OVER $3.00 FOR 50 LBS. . Wouldn't you rather just add it yourself? We feed both the salt and mineral free choice , so the does can eat what they need. DO NOT USE IODIZED SALT---TOO MUCH IODINE WILLTIE UP ESSENTIALS!

    MANGANESE DEFICIENCY IS A RECENTLY DISCOVERED SERIOUS PROBLEM IN PARTS OF OKLAHOMA ,(and I suspect in many other places as well!). DEFICIENCY CAUSES LOWER CONCEPTION RATES, LOWER MILK PRODUCTION, PROBLEMS WITH WEIGHT MAINTENANCE, POST- KIDDING INFECTIONS, DEFORMATION OF FRONT LEGS AND/OR JOINTS IN NEWBORNS, NEURO-CEREBRAL CONNECTION DEFICIENCIES, AND A HOST OF OTHER PROBLEMS. THIS MINERAL ESPECIALLY ADDRESSES THAT PROBLEM.

    WE ANTICIPATE THAT CONSUMPTION WILL BE ABOUT 1-1/2 OZ PER ANIMAL PER DAY---THIS IS AN AVERAGE FIGURED FOR 135 POUNDS. SMALL MILKING DOES ARE EXPECTED TO CONSUME ABOUT 1-1/2 OZ. PER DAY, AND KIDS 1/4-1/2 OZ PERDAY.. Of course , this depends upon size, milk production, and feedingpractices. 1-1/2 oz. is about 2 Tablespoons. The cost per doe is in the 6 cents to 14 cents per day range, depending upon where you live, and the shipping charges. A pound of mineral will provide for a small doe for about 10days.

    This mineral contains the finest grade of yeast.. This provides optimum levels of those all-important B-complex vitamins that are so importantfor health. It is designed for goats on alfalfa hay and pasture; or alfalfa, pasture, and prairie hay. If you are feeding straight alfalfa (which is NOT good for your goats, as they need the long fibers of grass hay), you may need to offer a hi-phos dairy mineral to be certain they can balancetheir intakes properly. I also keep a mol-mag block ( bloat block or grass tetany block, depending upon where you live) out for the does, as they need more magnesium (wish I knew why!) in the winter. I learned this from afriend of David McKenzie years ago. I called England, as I knew they needed something that was not being provided. I could not figure out why mygoats DEVOURED certain plants and barks at certain times of the year. (You can learn a lot by reading the plant analyses in the back of Goat Husbandry ! ) I learned that magnesium was what they needed, usually starting inOctober! Magnesium deficiency often causes "bowed" front legs. I have seen thismany times in foals, and in yearling goats that are pregnant

    Current mineral levels:
    Calcium 10%
    Phosphorus 8%
    Potassium 2%
    Magnesium 1%
    Sulfur 2%
    Iron 2000 ppm
    Manganese 5000 ppm
    Zinc 8000 ppm
    Copper 1250 ppm
    Selenium 25 ppm
    Cobalt 200 ppm
    Iodine 100 ppm
    Vit. A 250,000 IU
    Vit. D 50,000 IU
    Vit. E 400 IU
    These calculations were made based on 5-1/2 lb. dry matter consumption for does, consisting of alfalfa and grass hay, and one pound of grain. Therefore , consumption may vary. Most goats need more in the beginning, and then level off in consumption. It is normal if the consumption goes up anddown! Again, I wish I knew why!

    We ship a 70 pound order via Parcel Post for $41 plus shipping, which is from $14.35 to $46.04, depending on your postal zone. You can check the shipping charges yourself at usps.com , or send me your zip code , and I will calculate it for you.For those of you in the farthest zones, shipping may be cheaper in the Priority boxes. We do NOT control the deliverytime, the USPS does, and although they say it takes 5-10 days for parcelpost, one order to Iowa took 17 days. An order going to Oregon was there in 5. Please let us know when your order arrives, and of course, we appreciatefeed-back on your goats improvements in condition!We have just discovered , that for some of you, a 60 or 80 pound order shipped via the 20 pound boxes via Priority Mail is cheaper !If youare in postal Zones 6,7, or 8 , this will save you money! The cost formultiples, will be $80.40 for 4 boxes or $ 60.30 for 3 boxes. The USPS provides the boxes, and you get them in just 4 days!The small order is $24, including Priority Mail--this is about 20pounds of mineral. It is so strange that shipping this size priority mail is MUCH cheaper than parcel post. We accept payment via Paypal, but there is an additional charge of 3%+ 30 cents--that is what they charge us. Money orders are fine, and unlessout of stock, we ship the next day. Unfortunately, since we had problems with checks, we cannot ship product until your check clears the bank, whichcan delay your order shipment up to 2 weeks.
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    FOR EVERY BAG OF MINERAL SOLD, A DONATION WILL BE MADE FOR GOAT MINERAL RESEARCH AT LANGSTON UNIVERSITY . HELP US HELP YOUR GOATS!
     
  2. Sondra

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    Tech-Master Complete Mineral (Bluebonnet)

    Calcium min 10% max 12
    Phosphorus min 12%
    Salt min 10% max 12
    Magnesium min 2.35 %
    Potassium min 1.45%
    Copper min 2,000 ppm
    Selenium min 26.5 ppm
    Zinc min 6,000 ppm
    Manganese min 3,500 ppm
    Cobalt min 50 ppm,
    Iodine min 100 ppm
    Vit A min per lb 200,000 IU
    Vit D3 min per lb 30,000 IU
    Vit E min per lb 300 IU

    Ingrediets
    Monocalcim Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Salt, Dried Moasses, Yeast Culture, Dehydrated Kelp Meal , Potassium Amion Acid Complex, Potassium Chloride, Potassium Sulfate, Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate, Magnesium Oxide, Magnesium Sulfate, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Zince Sufid Chelate, Copper Sulfate, Copper Oxide, Cobalt Carbonate, Lecithin, Soybean Oil, Mineral Oil, Natural and Artificial Flavors, Dried Aspergitlus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Feermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillius, -Acidopphilus Fermentation Product, Vitamin A, Bitamin D3, Vit E, Choline Dhloride, Riboflavin, Niacin, Calcium Pantothemnate,Biotin, Sodium Selenite, Calcium iodate, Ethyfendediamine Dihydriodide, Thiamin Mononitrate, Folice Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vit b-6) Vit B-12

    Product Discription
    Is designed to provide calcium, phosphorus , Vitamins & patented amino acid chelated trace minerals as well as micronutrients from seaweed meal, (kelp) plus microbial digestive catalysts.
     

  3. NubianSoaps.com

    NubianSoaps.com New Member

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    Read it through carefully, there is at least one erronious statement in each paragraph. It's all very well meaning but it is downright dangerous to feed a loose mineral free choice that doesn't limit the consumption with salt. Sure buy it and add salt but it will dilute it further. You can buy most good quality mineral without salt, so shipping is cheaper, but it is more concentrated then, adding your salt dilutes it back to the premixed level. Let's perhaps list the poor information. Vicki
     
  4. baileybunch

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    I wasn't planning to use it. It seemed too complictated to me. I just wanted to know what you all thought of if. I found that I can get TechMaster Complete in Springfield. When I am out of Golden Blend, I will switch to BB.

    Tech Master Complete
    Copper 2000ppm
    Selenium 26.5ppm

    Maxi-Min
    Copper 1250ppm
    Selenium 25ppm
     
  5. GallopingGoats

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    It seems that it is touting that the cobalt is too low in the standard mineral mix. The best mineral I can get here is sweetlix meatmaker. I can't find a cobalt block either. I tried. So you all think it may be nonsense? Please explain, speak slowly. Shannon
     
  6. Beverrlly

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    Very interested as well! I was kicking around the idea of trying it but someone beat me to the punch in asking about it! Haven't tried to get BB minerals yet since I'm waiting for my old ones to run out as well.
     
  7. NubianSoaps.com

    NubianSoaps.com New Member

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    Perhaps in their area of Oklahoma cobalt is a problem? Vicki
     
  8. LMonty

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    Bailey Bunch

    would you mind sharing what the charge was for the techmaster in springfield? It might be worth me driving up there if its significantly less than here.
     
  9. baileybunch

    baileybunch New Member

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    My local feed store is getting it from SoMo in Springfield at $36 per 50 pound bag. I hope it's the right one as I kept having to repeat myself and she (feed store owner) kept saying it wrong! We'll see. She said SoMo used to carry it but people quit buying it. I am getting one bag. :biggrin VERY excited!

    So Mo Agri Supply, Inc.
    2850 W. Kearney
    Springfield, MO 65803
    800-725-1880