I measured one of our first freshening doe's rear udder height. From the top of her udder to her vulva is 1 inch. This is not a guestamation but an actual measurement. She is Top of TNT's Rising Star who is sired by Lakeshore First Class Service and whose dam is Pruittville's Blackberry. She has a nice globular mammary with perfect teat size and placement. Her foreudder is smooth with nice extension and no shelving or pocket. She is milking just over 8 pounds a day. The owner of Lakeshore's First Class Service reported that he was killed last year by a neighbor boy who trespassed his property and was hunting with a bow and arrow. The kid "mistook" this buck for a deer.