Please help me out. I'm posting this and then going to go back and search thru old posts. Okay, first point, absolutly NO goat vets around here. Treat them like little cows, if they treat at all. Freya is a 3 y.o. 3rd freshener Lamancha, a smaller doe, about 90-95 lbs. She came to me bred last year to a boer and had two big doelings that both presented head first, no legs, but I got that straightened out fairly easy (well, kinda). This year I bred her to a nigerian buck, hoping for smaller kids for her and F1 mini manchas. She kidded today on day 149. We watched her all last night, no real labor, but digging many holes, staring into space, head pressing towards morning. Finally at 11:30 after reading a recent post on here, I washed up to see what was going on. She was dialated and there was a buckling there, head first again, but ready to come out, so fished his leg out and he slid out pretty easy. "Normal" sized kid from this cross I'd say. Went back in and felt another kid ready to come out the same way, so pushed him back - could feel he was much bigger - and when I pushed him back, his head slipped to the side and down. I had a he!! of a time getting him out and took me quite a bit of pushing and pulling to get his head back out. Finally got him out and he's big and healthy. I really worked inside of her, I honestly don't know if I hurt her or not. it's been exactly an hour and a half since the last kid and she hasn't cleaned. Her udder is full and milk comes out easily. She didn't really ever have much for contractions, kinda the same as last year. I can tell she's in a lot of pain, she's all "fluffed" up, and just stands there. I do have her inside my heated goat stall, so it's about 50 degrees there. I gave her 1cc of banamine, 3cc B complex, 2 cc Bo-Se so far. Should I do oxytocin? Any antibiotic? I'm guessing this doe, provided I didn't hurt her and she turns for the worse, should just be a pet? Help, I'm so at a loss. I just love my nigerians and mini mancha girls who just plop out their kids and act like nothing happened. This girl really stresses me out! Help me get her better. I sure wish I had a mentor or a dang good vet around here!