HAY!? Sudan Vs Coastal

Discussion in 'Dairy Goat Info' started by Agape Oaks, Aug 22, 2008.

  1. Agape Oaks

    Agape Oaks Guest

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    All my milkers are on alfalfa hay & alfalfa pellets, but my young goats, bucks & dry does get grass hay. I've always fed coastal hay until a friend raved about Sudan hay. I got some & my goats loved it, but another friend told me it's empty calories & has no nutritional value. I can't seem to find any info & both friends are equally adamant about which hay is better. Last year I fed everyone alfalfa & I had a bunch of obese dry goats which is why they got switched......now it's timeto buy more, So I'm here to ask y'all :)
     
  2. Sondra

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    Sudan is closer to alfalfa in nutrients I do believe and if I could get it that is what I would have,
     

  3. Sondra

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    Bermuda Grass Hay Broom Grass Hay
    Calcium (%) 0.45 0.37
    Phosphorus (%) 0.38 0.11
    Potassium (%) 2.89 0.91
    Magnesium (%) 0.37 0.13
    Sodium (%) 0.06 0.02
    Chloride (%) 0.70 0.30
    Sulfur (%) 0.32 0.09
    Dry Matter (%) 89.85 91.47
    Crude Protein (%) 11.69 4.26
    ADF - Acid Detergent Fiber (%) 36.68 42.81
    NDF - Neutral Detergent Fiber (%) 57.30 68.43
    NEL Net Energy Lactation (Mcal/lb DM) 0.54 0.44

    Oat Hay Sudan Hay
    Calcium (%) 0.42 0.81
    Phosphorus (%) 0.18 0.33
    Potassium (%) 1.95 2.82
    Magnesium (%) 0.16 0.37
    Sodium (%) 1.34 0.17
    Chloride (%) 3.05 1.84
    Sulfur (%) 0.32 0.23
    Dry Matter (%) 87.91 91.52
    Crude Protein (%) 9.42 11.36
    ADF - Acid Detergent Fiber (%) 35.62 35.32
    NDF - Neutral Detergent Fiber (%) 60.79 54.70
    NEL Net Energy - Lactation (Mcal/lb DM) 0.55 0.58
    TDN - Total Digestible Nutrients (%) 60.76 57.22

    TDN-Total Digestible Nutrients (%) 59.92 55.08

    Alfalfa Hay
    ca l c i u m ( % ) 1 . 4 5
    P h o s p h o r u s ( % ) 0 . 2 6
    P o t a s s i um (% ) 1 . 7 5
    M a g n e s i u m ( % ) 0 . 3 2
    S o d i u m (% ) 0 . 1 9
    C h l o r i d e (% ) 0 . 9 0
    S u l f u r (% ) 0 . 4
    Dry Matter (%) 90.24
    Crude Protein (%) 21.10
    ADF - Acid Detergent Fiber (%) 37.42
    NDF - Neutral Detergent Fiber (%) 49.05
    NEL Net Energy - Lactation (Mcal/lb DM) 0.58
    TDN - Total Digestible Nutrients (%) 57.43
     
  4. mamatomany

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    Wow Sondra, where did you get that information. All we have around here is fescue....one local person said they would never feed fescue as they cause goats to abort?
     
  5. Sondra

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    Linda it depends on the fescue they have new stuff out that isn't toxic
     
  6. mamatomany

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    How can you tell what kind you have?
     
  7. Sondra

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    believe you would just take it to your extension agent or call and ask them.
    Most all of the new seed being planted now days in the eastern states is the new toxin free.
     
  8. KJFarm

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    My goats have coastal in their pastures, but they won't eat coastal hay. We've always fed Sudan hay, goats will nearly always choose it over coastal. My girls have round bales of Sudan in their pens, but when the weather is inclement, I have hay mangers under the barn to feed Sudan square bales.
     
  9. Sondra

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    I personally if I could get it would feed sudan over coastal burmuda
     
  10. Wendy Tinney

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    Sorry to ask, this may be a really dumb question, but what is ADF and NDF? (besides the obvious words sitting next to it) Is it of major importance when comparing?

    Wendy
     
  11. shawhee

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    I have been feeding sudan and costal. They like the sudan better, but occasionally they go for the coastal. Sondra I can get Sudan squares let me know if you need some. I am almost out and need to go get some more.

    Shawna
     
  12. Sondra

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    Shawna
    Where do you get yours at?
     
  13. shawhee

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    I have a guy just outside Justin that I have been getting squares from. He has sudan and bluestem as well as coastal. I have tried the sudan and bluestem. I think the sudan is better, but my girls went for the bluestem as well. I need to go in the next day or so. I think everything is 5.00 a bale. I want to come see you soon so if you want me to pick you up some to try give me a shout and I will bring them when I come. Oh P.S. I just picked up 2 bags of the MasterTech minerals at TSC out your way Sondra.
     
  14. Sondra

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    Think I located some sudan Shawna