First fecal question

Discussion in 'Dairy Goat Info' started by NWgoats, Jan 5, 2009.

  1. NWgoats

    NWgoats New Member

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    I just did my first fecals, and I only saw one thing even remotely oval in shape.
    I saw the dark round with clear centers which if I am reading correctly are
    air bubbles? I also saw lots of other fun shapes (fiber bits I think). I did fecals on five different goats, three of which have been wormed within the last 10 days.
    I followed the instructions in Goatkeeping 101 for the fecals (as well as when worming the goats). Is it possible that at this moment, there are no eggs showing up? Should I do new fecals in a few days? I just find it hard to believe that no one has any worms, although that would be nice.
     
  2. Ashley

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    I bet if you just wormed it's pretty possible you won't find an egg, there are at least going to be very few.

    It doesn't mean no one has any worms, just that you didn't get an egg in that sample. If you just wormed, you should have very few worms and those worms are probably reeling from the worming and may not be laying any eggs right now.

    I've had plenty of samples where I found only one or two eggs, and the does hadn't been wormed in a long time.
     

  3. stoneyheightsfarm

    stoneyheightsfarm New Member

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    Also, this isn't prime time of the year to find much on a fecal. Parasites like warm weather better. If you fine tuned through all the visible layers of the slide, what you saw was probably pretty accurate.
     
  4. NWgoats

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    We did just finish with the coldest weather we have had in 10 years. It got down to 12 degrees and wasn't above freezing for a week during the day. I just figured there would be something. My big does haven't been wormed since September, but show no sign of needing it. They are both bred (fingers crossed) and I was going by the Goatkeeping 101 where Vicki says to worm at 50 days bred. But I wanted to check fecals first.
    Should I check again? And if so, how soon?
     
  5. stoneyheightsfarm

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    It probably wouldn't hurt to worm those two that you haven't wormed already. If there is anything, they'd get expelled. If there isn't then, there just isn't. Adult worms aren't as protected from the elements as their eggs, so it could be a great time.

    You will see the most on a fecal in hot, wet weather and during times of stress because that's when the parasites take advantage of the best conditions for them to reproduce. It wouldn't hurt to fecal again, and because everything goes in cycles, you could get different results from one sample to the next, theoretically. If you've got the tools and the time to do it, why not? It's great practice. If it's costing you boucoup moolah to take them to the vet, I probably wouldn't bother right now, since you just had a clean fecal.

    Sounds like it might just come down to a judgement call on your part, based on your personal views and philosophies. :) I'm certainly not the expert here, so maybe some of the experts have an opinion??
     
  6. NWgoats

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    It does cost me a bit to have the vet do it. She charges $20 per sample. That is why I wanted to start doing my own. I did these yesterday and since I had never done it before, it took me a while to get the hang of it. However, I am going to take a couple in to my vet today and see what she says. If she doesn't find much (or any) I will feel a little more confident. I figure I can practice as much as I want. My girls give me lots of material to work with. ;) With current prices, that will save me over $500.00 per year. I was doing fecals 4 x a year, now I can do them whenever I want!!!
     
  7. stoneyheightsfarm

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    Our vet's office normally charges $20 per fecal, but there is a goat specialist there who charges me $10, so I make sure to go when she's there! Still, it gets pricey. When I tried doing my own, I was nervous at first, too, about the great results, even though they followed treatment. Since then, I've seen the same trends following treatment both with my fecals and with the vet's, and have gained some confidence. Sounds like you have a great plan underway! :)
     
  8. NWgoats

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    Thank you very much. I have only had goats for 3 years and it has been a whole new learning experience.
     
  9. NubianSoaps.com

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    Michele some of this comes with time. I know I have liverfluke problems here, do I see eggs for liverfluke on fecal during the winter? No...but being bred and dry, at 100 days pregnant gives me the best time to use thi wormer with such a huge withdrawal time injected. I know by using it during the winter and then valbazen 10 days post kidding I don't have the problems with liverfluke that others do in my area not only in their goats but cattle. I think livefluke in Texas is alot of the problems seen now with those saying Cydectin doesn't work well on their places, and also why copper bolusing is working well. I think liverfluke is underdiagnosed and because of some internet information not looked for in fecal. Vicki
     
  10. NWgoats

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    Vicki, we also have a bit of trouble here with liver flukes. My pasture is pretty much underwater all winter and very damp all but a month or two of summer. A neighbor not far from me lost 20 some goats before they knew what the problem was. Thus far, I have only used the Ivomec Plus for worming for that very reason. That is why I was having fecals done regularly by my vet. She did find evidence of them once, but not since.
    So, I should worm those bred does anyway? Just to be safe? They are both around 60ish days bred.
     
  11. NubianSoaps.com

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    I normally don't have to worm 60ish days bred, I do worm at 100 days pregnant with the Ivermectin Plus. It honestly would freak me out a little to have to worm with something with a flukeicde in it that early in the pregnancy. Vicki
     
  12. NWgoats

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    Thank you. I just went back and re-read your information in GK 101. Somehow I read that I should worm at 50 days. I misread it and will wait until 100 days. Meanwhile, I will continue to practice those fecals. Thanks again.
     
  13. pettigrewfarms

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    Thanks for the reminder I need to worm at 100 days had for got to mark that one on the calendar.
    Deana
     
  14. stoneyheightsfarm

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    :) I haven't even had my goats for a year yet, but lost one after just 2 weeks here due to parasites, according to the necropsy, so have been what someone called a "seriously poop obsessed monster" ever since. :)