I am new to the whole registration thing. I have a registered grade nubian doe. Can she or her offspring ever be registered as anything else? Also, could someone give a clear explanation of how each (grade, American, purebred) is classified; what the criteria is? Thanks so much!
Explain Grade, American and Purebred Please
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Eventually after breeding a grade doe to a certain breed buck (non grade) you can register them as American. There are upgrade scales to determine how many generations of offspring it will take. And this varies between dairy and meat goat breeds.
American means that the goat has met the criteria for meeting the standards of the breed after "X" amount of generations. Pure means that the goat has never been bred to American, just strictly pure lines. Hope this helps.
American means that the goat has met the criteria for meeting the standards of the breed after "X" amount of generations. Pure means that the goat has never been bred to American, just strictly pure lines. Hope this helps.
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It sounds like what you have may be a "Recorded Grade,".......or it may be a 50% or 75% grade. If the offspring are continually bred to either an American or Purebred Nubian, then after a certain number of generations, the offspring can be registered as American. The future generatoins from that animal can never be registered as purebred. A purebred means that every line of the pedigree traces back to a purebred Nubian.
I do not remember how many generations in takes to change from Grade to American............it has been many years since I had animals that were 50% and 75%. I am sure that someone else on here can help us out.
I do not remember how many generations in takes to change from Grade to American............it has been many years since I had animals that were 50% and 75%. I am sure that someone else on here can help us out.
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If the animal is grade, it can be Recorded Grade NOA(Mative on Appearance) or NOP (Native on Production), or it can have recorded American or Purebred parents that gave it a percentage of grade- like 50 or 75. Of course, the percentage could be less if it started as a Grade Experimental. (an experimental is a cross between two Americans or Purebreds or and Americanor Purebred and a Recorded Grade.) For our sanity, I am going to pretend your animal is a percentage Grade Nubian. (The percentage will be listed on top of their registration papers.)
So if you have a 50 percent, and you cross them to an American or Purebred, the offspring will be 75 percent. If you cross the offspring to an American or Purebred then those kids will be 87.5 percent Nubian, which makes them American (7/8 Nubian). Since the herd book is closed, the offspring (from a registered Nubian buck) after that will remain Americans. Purebreds are animals that were in the herdbook before it was 'closed'.
This is from the ADGA Rules:
So if you have a 50 percent, and you cross them to an American or Purebred, the offspring will be 75 percent. If you cross the offspring to an American or Purebred then those kids will be 87.5 percent Nubian, which makes them American (7/8 Nubian). Since the herd book is closed, the offspring (from a registered Nubian buck) after that will remain Americans. Purebreds are animals that were in the herdbook before it was 'closed'.
This is from the ADGA Rules:
Thanks so much guys. So, I haven't sent in my doe's papers yet, so I don't know her percent. Her sire was a grade nubian and her dam was a registered purebred nubian. I'm just wondering what my doe's kids will be. She is bred to a registered purebred buck. Does that info help?
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The sire will be unknown, as you can't register a grade buck. She will be 50 percent grade Nubian and her kids will be 75 percent. Of course they have to have proper breed character (pendulous ears).
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One more clarification.
0% Nubian (NOA/NOP/unregistered) bred to Purebred/American= 50% Grade *doelings*
50% Grade *Doe* bred to Purebred/American buck= 75% Grade *doelings*
75% Grade *Doe* bred to Purebred/American buck= American *doelings* (bucklings are still grade and unrecordable
American doe bred to Purebred/American buck= American doelings and bucklings.
Americans cannot be bred up to Purebred in the Nubian herdbook.
With each generation the offspring must conform to the Nubian breed standard to advance.
0% Nubian (NOA/NOP/unregistered) bred to Purebred/American= 50% Grade *doelings*
50% Grade *Doe* bred to Purebred/American buck= 75% Grade *doelings*
75% Grade *Doe* bred to Purebred/American buck= American *doelings* (bucklings are still grade and unrecordable
American doe bred to Purebred/American buck= American doelings and bucklings.
Americans cannot be bred up to Purebred in the Nubian herdbook.
With each generation the offspring must conform to the Nubian breed standard to advance.
Some good explanations above but if you are an ADGA member just have a look in your guidebook - the requirements are detailed there for every breed.
A brief explanation can be found here http://adga.org/RegistrationApplicationInstructions.htm but you really need to see the guidebook for details (I am not sure of anywhere to find it online)
A brief explanation can be found here http://adga.org/RegistrationApplicationInstructions.htm but you really need to see the guidebook for details (I am not sure of anywhere to find it online)
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It is a PDF, accessed from adga.org, under member services. Not everyone with registered goats is a member 
http://adga.org/guidebook08.pdf
If you search for your breed it jumps to the different sections a bit more quickly. There is a section on Grades/ Experimentals & Americans.
http://adga.org/guidebook08.pdf
If you search for your breed it jumps to the different sections a bit more quickly. There is a section on Grades/ Experimentals & Americans.
Thanks guys, I think I'm getting it figured out. So, because my doe's sire was grade and her dam was PB, my doe is 50% grade. So here's my question: In order for her offspring to be eventually registered as American, does she need to be registered (or is it recorded since she is grade?) with ADGA?
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If you register her, her babies will be 75%. If not then her babies could only be registered as 50% and their dam listed as unknown. So, either way they could make it to American but if you don't register her it will take one more generation to make it there.
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And her kids can never be American, but her descendents can be.
The way to think about all those terms is to recognize that they are all about what records of ancestry are available. Purebred animals have records of ancestors (theoretically) all the way back to importation or more. The others will have records of fewer numbers of generations or none.
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Almost correct. I am also a registry of dairy goats and we have been since 1980. With ADGA most of their herdbooks are closed. Nubian is one that is Closed. What that means is that no new offspring form non-ADGA or non-AGS or non-Canadian Goat Society Nubians may enter the ADGA Purebred herdbook. So correct that the Grade Nubian descendants after the (simple average) amount is met. However, the resulting offspring may never be in the ADGA Purebred herdbook, because that herdbook has been closed for many years. With my registry, our herdbooks are open, so the resulting descendants can in fact move to the Purebred herdbook.
Also there is not such a thing as a Nubian (or most modern breeds) was always a Purebred. All breeds that we use are created originally by breeding multiple breeds together in a closed environment, to obtain a breed (in this case Nubian) that displays specific characteristics that are desired for that breed. That usually takes about 7 generations to create a stable set of characteristics. So Nubian was not always Purebred.
Hope that helps.
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