Remember the doe I was telling you that I had to chase down to get her in the diary barn and I was thinking of drying her up because she was such a PITB. Once she got on the stand she was perfect, but just getting her there was the problem. Well now she will knock you down trying to get to the milk stand. She is the first to be milked every time and goes straight to the stand and waits for her grain. It doesn't matter to her if she is machine milked or hand milked. She has the best manners now. :biggrin Makes my life so much more simple.