Ok, so if you read my other post about my coughing kids ( the three i bought this year from two diff. farms ), and i had the vet out on Monday to check them. Anyways, it's just not sitting right with me still, they are coughing and it looks horrible, and something just isn't right. We were thinking lung worms - but my vet just wants me to try and "catch what they cough up if they do cough something up" and bring that in for testing for lung worms - sounds kinda funny for me, i would also want it tested for some bug or virus as well - if you can - but how the heck to i catch mucus ? He said we could do a "wash" but said it can be quite stressful on them, so try to just let them hack it up themselves - any suggestions ? Would it be at all possible to drum on their chests or something with a baggie for a catcher's mit ? Plus i did worm them with ivermectin 1% ( orally ) 2 weeks ago now - should i do a follow up worming, or would that have taken care of it if it were lung worms ? And it's funny that these are the only three with this issue - my other home raised goats don't have ANY signs and never had, and i would think they would have got them, as this has been going on for almost 2 months. The kids also had ok lungs according to the vet, and ok temps - two were 103.1-103.2, one was 102.2 when he was here. All three also have a tiny bit of green crusties on their noses too - i don't see runny noses at all, but i do see crusties. I really want these kids to thrive, so they have the best chances of breeding this fall, and i don't want perm. damage done to their health - and i'm getting worried. Vet said we could try Nuflor, but he would prefer to wait and test any mucus i get, and/or worm with Valbazon to try another wormer first - but the ivermectin is working for the other worms i have ( i fecal ). He didn't say if he knew a place to do the baerman test or not as he kinda blew it off - would it be a good enough chance of still being lung worms to call him up and persue the baerman test with him ? Or what else could this be - what would you do ? Would anything else be worth giving them ? vit. B or something ? Also, i brought up copper boulsing with him. I purchased a few calf ones from somebody, but would still need to downsize them - however, i want to make sure i need them first of course, as i'm nervous about it and don't really have a test goat to try on or us liver from. He keeps saying he can run a blood test for me - and when i said i hear they aren't reliable enough he said yes they are - he said it would be $35, so we could pick the goat that shows the most signs and just run the test on her - but i fear we would do this and it would give us an incorrect result of not being defficiant and a waste of money, and i'd still have all the problems i have which are - VERY poor rough, late shedding coats - my two adults still have about 20% of their winter coats. They look VERY sun bleached as well. Poor crumbly feet even though i keep up on trimming every time, and it's not wet nor dry here. My one Alpine doe ( which has the worst symptoms -Daisy ) also has a hard time keeping weight on when in milk - reguardless of the different diets we've tried, as well as other things. They are just scruffy looking too, and dry skin as well. Also, in April when Daisy kidded i ended up having to give her oxy to expell the placenta - which could have been from a non-normal kidding, but i'm not sure. And i should have looked at it better ( kicking myself now ), as i don't remember if it was thicker or not - i just checked to see if it was whole. I did give him a print out of the saanendoah website's info on copper he said he will read it, so maybe when i call him back he will have a different veiw on it. So should i run a blood test or not ??? I feed purina minerals, so i'm prett sure they are not getting all the copper they need - and the rest of my herd are all kids, so not showing signs yet other then my two adult does. I'm just confused, and want my herd looking better before breeding season, and my kids healthy. Thanks !