I thought I had posted this before, but can't find it now. Kaye mentioned a calf table (can't find any info on those.) I need someway to restrain my bucks. Not been handled enough to be cooperative like the does. Safer because they give me space, but not so nice when I do need to work with them. Necks are so thick that collars slip right off their heads so clipping them to a fence doesn't work. :crazy Don't fit in the milk stand for the same reason. I've been dreaming up a hoist swing that could lift them off the ground so they couldn't go anywhere. Pics, links, or descriptions of homemade equipment would be great! Thanks.