What is Good Nubian Breed Character?

[Oat Bucket Farm]

If you want to email them to me, I would be happy to post them for you. My email is oatbucket@yahoo.com

[Asian Goats]

I do not wish to offend any breeders of nubians.There are many quality breeders of this goat, but I wish to ask this question.Many years back as I was researching this breed,one bloodline seemed to be something extra,W Bar Santana.Who bred the W Bar Santana and is this bloodline still operating today?
Just for personal interest.

Dinosaur eyes,heck mine have the bodies to go with that.

Thank you
Michael

[Lynn_Theesfeld]

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Lynn

[Vicki McGaugh Tx Nubians]

BAR-W Santana J was used and is behind alot of stock.  Heatherwoods Clovers Saint is a buck that Tim Pruitt used, Wildwood, Willow Run...coming out of Cadillac and Gasconade even if you don't have Santana J in your paperwork, you have these famous animals that made him in your paperwork.  Vicki

[Tim Pruitt]

Bar-W Santana J was born in 1981.  His dam was Satin who was born in 1976.   He was basically Cadillac in his breeding.  His breeder reportedly could put udders on a fence post.   Santana J was the best known of his creations and was an udder buck.   Like a lot of Cadillac bucks though he didn't have breed character to go with it - having shorter ears than desired.   Cadillac style animals were generally small in stature but very correct with excellent toplines and sharp and dairy.  When linebreeding on Santana J - the resulting breedings produced even smaller animals.  They lost stature.  In the 1990's Faith Farm used him in their breeding program and produced several excellent does who were showcased at the Nationals.   Faith Farm ESJ Eve was Reserve National Champion in 1994 and is pictured on the INBA website at I-N-B-A.org A twin sister to Eve - Faith Farm Eden was even better than Eve but died after kidding at around 4 years of age.

As Vicki mentioned I owned a buck, Heatherwoods Clovers Saint who was a tall uphill buck.   He had about 8 champion daughters in the Full Circle and Wildwood herds.   Our best doe from him was SGCH Pruittville's Huckleberry 92EEEE.   She was a doe who grew much larger than her dam and quickly became the largest doe in the herd.  She very consistently passed her size on to her offspring.  Huckleberry had nice breed character that she got from her dam's side.  She was mostly bred on Cadillac style animals.   She lived to 11 1/2 years of age.  Her sire Saint was almost 12 when I put him down - mostly due to his poor health because of old age arthritis.  I still have semen available on Saint.

[ellie]

As I recall, those Cadillac lines were not noted for high milk production. but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Asian Goats]

Thank you for that info on Bar W Santana J.One more question,who is the Frosty Marvins?I also ran across this bloodline at the same time and it seems this bloodline is highly rated also.

Thank You
Michael

[ellie]

Probably the most famous of Nubian bucks in history, Frosty Marvin (Hallcienda Frosty Marvin) produced 503 offspring including some very famous sons and daughters.  Marvin increased milk on most crosses, better breed character, stature.  His parents were extreemly inbred--especially his dam-- and FM was often used in very tight breedings, too.  For many years, FM lines were crossed with Conquest lines for pretty good milk (from Marvin) and pretty good udders (from Conquest).  That didn't always work, but often enough that it was favored breeding for decades. 

[Squires]

OK, now for something really different!  From Frosty Marvin and the goats you want to brag about, to  . . . 
plain, ordinary "just goats" that are in need of a little tender-loving-care.  Please don't scold me about the long hooves -- I just got the twins and will be working on them when the rain stops!   

Top view of Glory and Rose, Rear view of Glory and Rose (Glory is flat, Rose has two puffy lobes to her virgin udder), and you can get a top view of Honey from the last image if it comes through . ..


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[Squires]

Now for some side views, and a front view of my "narrow" goat:

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[Squires]

It's late and I could swear I sent more pictures -- just as well if they got lost on the internet . . . pictures of LGD, turkeys and dairy sheep and totally unrelated stuff.  And one of Honey charging into a dispute with a sheep-wether who really didn't want to argue with her.  Ah well.  Those really should go to the off-topic files.

Is this enough to see what the low-end goats are like or would you like close-ups of the heads?  Honey has quite a personality, and her ears did not fare well with her altercation with a pup.  Glory has the longest toes I've ever seen on a ruminant.   You probably don't need to see those.   

It was hard running between the rain drops trying to take pictures, and being attacked by greedy ruminants!  I do not know how those professional animal-photographers do it.   

[Asian Goats]

Ellie,Tim and all who explained to me about these bloodlines.Very interesting to know.

Thank you
Michael