BoSe reaction?

[Ashley]

We gave all the does bose today. Tonight Baby, who's never had bose, is swelled up, at least in the face. Kinda looks that way all over, but hard to tell with artificial lighting at night and all. But her face definitely looks different. She didn't come to eat when I called her tonight which is very unusual for her. She is all about food and has the figure to show it. So I went in and led her to the door and she came right in and ate just fine-- but not quite as ravenously as normal. She is probably the fastest eater in the group. Also, you can feel like a pad on the ribs where we gave it, it doesn't match the other side. It's below the shot site and about the size of your hand when you feel. Not really noticeable by looking.

This doe did have some liver fluke problems a while back but her eyelids are pink now.

I'm wondering if it might just be an allergic reaction (she doesnt' seem to have any trouble breathing or anything like that) or possibly a heart or kidney problem? If so, it has been several hours, does this likely mean it's going to resolve itself?

[buckrun]

Snake bite?  The swollen face is what happens when they take a hit on the nose.

[Ashley]

I don't see evidence of a bite. She is edemic all over for sure. Her ears are really thick. About halfway down they get particularly thick and then thin back out towards the tip. When I saw this in one ear, I thought maybe she had been stung in the middle of the ear and was having a bad reaction, but the other  ear is the same way. It was like 3/4 of an inch thick in the thickest place. That seemed to come down to about 1/2 inch before I came up. Just wierd!

No apparent trouble breathing or anything though.

[Ashley]

BTW she pooed twice with normal poo.

[goatkid]

If you suspect an allergic reaction from either the shot or a bite, I'd give her some Benadryl for the swelling.

[Caprine Beings]

  It will help with the swelling. I would watch her.
Tam

[Vicki McGaugh Tx Nubians]

There isn't anything in bo-se for a reaction like this, even if you drug it through a blood vessel as you depressed the plunger.  Did you clean her skin with alcohol before you gave the injection, perhaps it was something on her skin (fly spray??) that was drug through the vein?  I don't give bo-se subq anymore after I had a doe get a welt that stayed and then stripped the hair off and formed a scar...it never abscessed etc...and my vet in questioning her said some horses are sensitive to it also.  Benedryl is a very good idea and if you have any DMSO, after cleaning the skin really well I would start applying this to the raised area of the shot to help it absorb, I wish I would have done this before I figured out it was going to be a problem shot site.   Vicki

[Ashley]

It does seem odd. We don't have benadryl, but gave some echinacea. Yes, we cleaned their skin with alcohol, and haven't used fly spray lately. Haven't been many flies. But when I do it is natural spray. My mom is an RN and gave the shots. I made her pull back and be sure she wasn't in a vein as that freaks me out lol.

Something I thought about. I had weight taped her the other day at 150 lbs. Today I taped her again to give the shot and got 155 lbs. So maybe she was already starting to swell from something? Or could have just been standing different.

Obviously now I'm scared to ever give it to her though.

[Vicki McGaugh Tx Nubians]

It's not the aspirating that finds the blood, its if you don't push the plunger in completely, and keep pushing out as you drag it back out...something we all do when we are in a hurry.  And natural doesn't make it something that shouldn't be under the skin.  Doesn't sound like this from the shot.  Vicki

[stoneyheightsfarm]

Vicki, do you give BoSe IM?  My vet told me I could do that when I complained of injections site reactions like that (local swelling, sloughing hair) and so I tried it--and had a doe that didn't want to move for 3 days because it apparently had the same reaction in the muscle. 

[Sondra]

Ashley this really seems like a snake bite or something besides BoSe shot

[Ashley]

She's about the same this morning. She has hives all over, which I think she had last night to a degree which is what made her look edemic. Today I can see better. And she has a big swelling under the chin, like all the stuff in her face just drained down to the chin overnight. She's eating alright still and everything and even charged to get someone else's food when I let her off the stand like she normally does if I don't hold and guide her out the door. I'm going to give her 2T of the echinacea , gave her 1 last night.

She didn't make much milk overnight, now yesterday morning was perfectly normal production which was just a couple hours before the shot.

I looked all over and cannot find a bite or any localized area of swelling. Other than under her chin looks like it could be, but nothing there at all.

Vicki, the shot was fully given before pulling the needle out.

[Ashley]

Well, she's improved since I posted, her hives have gone down.

[Vicki McGaugh Tx Nubians]

Yes Billie I give it IM, I have never had a problem like this, even in the doe who previously had the shot site swelling.  Vicki

[stoneyheightsfarm]

Hmm.  Well, guess I have an odd one, then.  I will continue to give it SQ because of the reaction I had.  The first time, I thought it was just a fluke, but when it happened again, I knew I couldn't do BoSe IM with this doe.  A little swelling and hair loss is better to me than a goat that hates me for a week and won't move for half that week.  Talk about a fright!

[Vicki McGaugh Tx Nubians]

Billie I had a buck and his daughters who would abcess a subq shot.  My vet gave shots one time here because it 'had to be my technique" she gave them abcess also.  Not just normal abcess either but they would get hard and grow like tenticle pieces that attached into the bloodstream of the goat.  She called them corny something...and I remember telling her please do not put corny or abscess as a diagnosis on my goats!!!!   So having a doe, or a line that is sensitive to bo-se is totally normal for my herd   Vicki

[Laverne]

I would do a test and see if a reaction happens with 1 ml of Bo-Se compared to say a 3 ml dose next time around.

[stoneyheightsfarm]

 

[Ashley]

Yea, I was thinking about doing that Laverne. Then I'd know.

[Sondra]

UM I never had a reaction with any of mine even the tiny babies.