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Old 07-01-2012, 12:34 AM   #1
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Two or three weeks ago, I trimmed hooves and started drying off my doe. Today I went to trim again, and her right front hoof was strange. It smelled funny like a burnt smell. The hoof wall was also flattening out in shape, like a wide bell shape. It isn't hot, or hurting her at all. Any ideas?



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Has she been in a wet area alot? after it really rains here ours will "get a smell" but it's usually just gunk that has built up in their hooves. I have to say though that I love trimming feet after we have had a bunch of rain!

I would also trim up your doe like normal and see if anything looks different, that way you know something might or might not be going on. Remember your doe is still young and developing, she just might be getting thicker hoof walls or you trimmed her feet a little different and didn't notice last time.

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Any change in her feeding program? It can be founder, it doesn't have to be an acute attack to ruin her feet. It can be chronic. Vicki

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I moved her slowly (over about a month) over to medicated feed from her milking ration. She is getting very little medicated feed daily and mainly eating only alfalfa hay at this point. It has been wet in the goat yard, but not in her pen. They spend very little time out in the goat yard when it is wet. I trimmed it and will keep an eye on it. Founder would hurt her wouldn't it?

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There is acute attacks and then there is chronic founder. In an acute attack a doe walks on her knees, her feet are so painful, in chronic founder it is just effecting the laminae of the hoof, you can read up on laminitis/founder. In horses it's systemic (both feet) and mechanical which can be one foot. And is the laminae pulling away from the wall of the hoof, debris then collects, inflammation occurs, the coffin bone literally tips and leaves that claw fatter looking. I have heard it described as bossy toe before, which is nothing more than chronic founder/acidosis in the feet.

It's usually the diet, we have no way of knowing how good our alfalfa hay is out here, huge amounts of grain is fed, high protein again because is the hay 12% or 8%...it's not way to raise ruminants but it what we do. The feet problems are because of this. Why it is so important we don't perpetuate bad feet by no copper bolusing but also purchasing bloodlines who are showing bad feet to begin with. Vicki

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I read up on it and found this "Heat stress, complications of kidding (mastitis, uterine infection, retained placenta), and pneumonia can lead to Laminitis/Founder."

She had pnemonia about 4 months ago, and she is currently living in crazy heat. Should I drop her off "grain" completely and feed her only hay? I read to soak the hoof in ice water as well.

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When fever is in the hoof, yes soaking it will stop it from doing more damage. The damage has already been done, what you don't want is to repeat the damage and make it worse or let it go into both feet.

Having goats is about growing a rumen, everything we do is about protecting the rumen. Vaccination so you don't get pnemonia and if you do they have immunity to it via high quality colostrum and vaccination to kick it's butt on their own, without antibiotics that then kill more rumen flora along with high fevers. Keeping minerals out of defficiency ranges and doing pelvics, so you don't get uterine infections and retained placentas which take once again antibiotics that kill rumen flora along with the fever that accompany uterine infections. Acidosis, from feeding high proteins and diets high in grain. Vicki

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I vaccinate for pasteruella, lysigin and cd/t. I provide free choice techmaster plus minerals, I copper bolus, I did a pelvic on her when she kidded, she didn't retain her placenta. It was a easy kidding, but the doeling was dead and had been dead. She hasn't had any fever or problems since she had pnuemonia before she kidded. She never fully came into milk because of the dead doeling. I milked her with no problems getting about a gallon every 2 to 3 days until a while ago when I decided to dry her off. I'm going out of town so I didn't want someone to have to deal with that.

When she was milking I fed a mix of 3/4 crimped oats, 1/4 mix of calf manna, beet pulp and boss. I fed 2 flakes of alfalfa hay per day for 2 milkers. If they needed more hay, they got it.

Now my two dry yearlings share 2 flakes of hay and 1/2 a horse scoop of medicated goat pellet, daily. 1 flake and 1/4 scoop in the am and 1 flake and 1/4 a scoop in the pm. Sometimes I give them 3 flakes, if they eat the hay really quickly. They basically have free choice hay. This is the amount they tend to eat in a day.

I've never noticed any hoof or leg pain or heat. Is my management causing problems?

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She has had a case of founder before, likely acidosis, you can see it in the deep ridge on the side of her hoof.

I see no damage to the hoof, if that foot is freshly pared down, you need someone to help you see better how to trim feet. They are not only unlevel from side to side, they have bulged on the heels that need to come down flat. After trimming around the edge with your hoof trimmer you have to use something that flattens down the hoof across the bottom. The red on the right toe is nothing more than if you took it down any further you would be in the quick, which would make her bleed, when I trim feet I get them down to the red quick so their feet stay short and compact, it drives the quick further into the hoof.

Now get the feet flat, either with a box cutter or plane it down with a hoof plane if you uncomfortable with a box cutter or knife. Ask one of your mentors to trim feet while you watch, it is invaluable to have them do your goats, so you can see the difference.



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